Why are there So Many Radical British Muslims?

reply to post by ollncasino

Not all terrorists are Muslims, but a lot of them are.

The opinions you are trying to pass off are only making this world a worse place. Like I said earlier, it is one big circle of hate and killing. It wont end until we all learn to get along. Good luck living in fear.

God these threads are so played out. Can't you just search and go re-read all the other anti-Muslim threads you have made. They say the same thing over and over again.

Originally posted by theconspirator

The opinions you are trying to pass off are only making this world a worse place. Like I said earlier, it is one big circle of hate and killing. It wont end until we all learn to get along.

Have you tried telling Islamic extremists this?

Originally posted by WaterBottle


God these threads are so played out. Can't you just search and go re-read all the other anti-Muslim threads you have made. They say the same thing over and over again.

If only Islamic extremism was played out. If only.

reply to post by ObservingYou

I'm a white Irish (former>) Catholic.

My grandad moved the family from Belfast to Birmingham in the late 70's because British soldiers were occupying Northern Ireland and killing women and children in the streets.

I'm well aware of what my nation has done in your homeland and in Islamic nations also... that wasn't the point that I was getting at, I was stating that if you are to blame all muslims for the attacks a few have done then when does it end? Ireland for instance has done many attacks in England, more than any Islamists have.

It was never about supporting or condemning any attacks.

They even shot the family dog when they raided my family's home.

Sorry for your loss if you took the time to read some of my posts you would realise I stand by that Ireland belongs to the Irish and British forces should not have been their.

FOOL!

I'd love to meet you face to face.

Why is that? is this a threat? and how exactly am I a FOOL!?

It seems you have some bitter resentment against the English, it wasn't the English public that was trying to police Ireland was it?

EDIT
When I said Ireland done terrorist attacks it was not Ireland but rather Irish Republican Army backed attacks.

reply to post by ollncasino

Thank you!

These maps will make people think I hope. I loved history maps when I was a young boy and gleaned more information from them than textbooks...

All the same, just because Islam already conquered so much of the world around Europe for a long time, I have a feeling it won't be able to do the same thing again.

The nostalgia of Theocratic radicals I think is due to them simply searching an alternative for the crazy, Plutonian rule of the West by a soulless a merchant society, consumerism and institutionalized racism...
But they should ask themselves: is it the same when someone considers himself an Islamic hero, drank Coca-Cola all his life, grew up in a concrete housing project with plastic toys and TV, and uses a machine gun, then rides a tank - all the white Christian European's inventions?
The same as when they were wearing turbans and slashing swords from Damascus?

Some historians agree that two things finished the Ottoman empire: 1. opium pipes and 2. hereditary posts (during the conquering age, they had no drugs except tobacco and some hashish, and every military hero had to surrender his titles and lands to the Sultan upon death...

Somehow it is no longer the real thing for me... maybe I am stereotyping.

Anyway, I come from Hungary, which was at the edge - fought Turkish attackers for almost 300 years, with the middle part being occupied for 150 years.
(Despite that, I have great friends among modern Turkish folks.)

Originally posted by OtherSideOfTheCoin
reply to post by Benevolent Heretic

 

Yup i find it incredibly difficult to debate with anyone who says that the blame for violent Islamic extremism falls on the Islamic faith itself. It implies that all Muslims are the problem

Its just such a ignorant and bigoted statement that i can’t converse meaningfully with a person who has such views.

The cause of Islamic extremism is so much more complex than the faith itself, if it were the faith itself then we would have almost every Muslim in the UK blowing themselves up so it can’t be that so it must be something linked in. That something is radical Islamic ideological teachings that are followed by a very small minority and a whole load of other socioeconomic and psychological factors that all lead to a otherwise normal individual becoming radicalised.

The guys who hacked up Lee Rigby were raised as Christians I think that says quite allot.

...but if peaceful mulsims are not speaking against such actions, are they not supporting it through inaction? Where are the Imams and the faithful who wish to purge thier religion of such violence? A valid question I think. From what I've been told on ATS and elsewhere, the majority of muslims are peaceful, why are they not speaking up and takeing back thier faith?

Originally posted by Kokatsi

Some historians agree that two things finished the Ottoman empire: 1. opium pipes and 2. hereditary posts (during the conquering age, they had no drugs except tobacco and some hashish, and every military hero had to surrender his titles and lands to the Sultan upon death...

The Portuguese rounding the African cape also destroyed the Ottoman Empire's taxing of the over land spice trade. They ran out of money.

Originally posted by Kokatsi
Anyway, I come from Hungary, which was at the edge - fought Turkish attackers for almost 300 years, with the middle part being occupied for 150 years.
(Despite that, I have great friends among modern Turkish folks.)

The Turks are among the most moderate Muslims out there.

reply to post by ollncasino


I'm sorry but when folks say radical muslim, I see a guy in a turban competing on a skateboard in the Xgames.
Man, that's radical!!
But seriously, radical is just another made up label like "domestic terrorist".
Just something to keep the peasants fighting amongst themselves, too bad we couldn'y gang up and fight the real problem.


Red/blue muslim/jew left/right none are right.

reply to post by TDawgRex

People cherry pick laws and religious texts to reinforce their own belief structure.

That is, exactly what he's Doing ------------> 'ollncasino'

And most of all, taken out of context.

Originally posted by mekhanics

That is, exactly what he's Doing ------------> 'ollncasino'

And most of all, taken out of context.

The context of this thread is why are there so many radical British Muslims.

Can you throw any light on the matter or are you merely making a drive by shooting?

I think it's a fairly safe assumption to say that religion is bad, and Islam in particular. It seems to be very similar to the Old Testament and the religion seems to me to be still in the young, violent, crusade stages. It is a very young religion and mirrors many of Christianity's wrongdoings in the Middle Ages.

Whilst most of us in the Western world- & I appreciate the USA is very backwards on this as a whole for some strange reason- have realised that we don't need an imaginary friend in the sky to help us live our lives & just get on with understanding good or bad quite easily, the Muslim faith hasn't yet reached that point and won't for probably another 500 years.

And as for Northern Ireland, if 9/11 did one good thing it stopped the USA from funding the IRA and forced them to disarm and become politicised. I think most Brits would sign Northern Ireland over to Ireland in a heartbeat.

And for those who love to cry "racist" when these arguments come up? Islam is not a race, it is a religion. You cannot be racist when condemning a religion. In fact, it should be noted that people aren't posting "deport the Indians and Pakis" but rather they condemn the religion of Islam, and quite rightly too, in my opinion.

Even the EDL praised the black woman who comforted Lee Rigby as he lay dying as a "hero", and they're supposed to be the National Front with a new name? Hmm.....

reply to post by ollncasino


I really enjoy your threads informative with lots of info
well done

simple answer is our government are letting it happen
as you say wahabbi money and a poor imagration policy
I have said it before and i will say it again if we where just a little bit fussy about who we let in it would make a massive difference some people can intergrate with us and some just wont

I have friends from Libya who I met when they were studying in Glasgow. The said to me, 'what is this religion they practice here? This is not Islam.' Why don't they let women into the mosques?' And of course I couldn't answer - being a local woman of no religion. They told me that what was being practised in Glasgow was Wahhabism - not Islam - which originated in Saudi Arabia in the 18th century . It has been twisted and contorted to become the control freak oppressive practice that flourishes there today.

But of course we, walking on eggshells as ever, watching our p's and q's - have sat back and not intervened in their 'culture'. That lack of intervention is based on ignorance. The same ignorance that, for so long, had us not interfere in forced marriage - deciding it was a cultural norm when in fact it was cultural abuse.

After the Brazilian lad was shot on the London underground I was talking to a cpl of young Muslim men. One guy said 'I don't go the mosque - it's not my thing.' and then pointing at his friend said, 'but he does.' His friend threw both hands in the air and exclaimed apologetically, 'I only go once a week.'

Now why, oh why would he have a guilty conscience about worshipping his God? I don't think I would ever see a Christian react in this way - they would be more likely to puff out their chest and boast that they attended church every Sunday.

reply to post by Siberbat

..but if peaceful mulsims are not speaking against such actions, are they not supporting it through inaction? Where are the Imams and the faithful who wish to purge thier religion of such violence? A valid question I think. From what I've been told on ATS and elsewhere, the majority of muslims are peaceful, why are they not speaking up and takeing back thier faith?

Oh they ARE speaking and they are acting - you're just choosing not to hear or see. Three monkeys come to mind.

Originally posted by christina-66
reply to post by Siberbat

 

..but if peaceful mulsims are not speaking against such actions, are they not supporting it through inaction? Where are the Imams and the faithful who wish to purge thier religion of such violence? A valid question I think. From what I've been told on ATS and elsewhere, the majority of muslims are peaceful, why are they not speaking up and takeing back thier faith?

Oh they ARE speaking and they are acting - you're just choosing not to hear or see. Three monkeys come to mind.

Examples of this please? I see lots of speaking but no acting.

reply to post by GeeBee


Thousands of Muslims gather to Condemn Lee Rigby Death - ATS Thread

reply to post by christina-66


I currently live in Glasgow, place called Govanhill. The day that the poor lad was decapitated outside Woolwich I thought the refugees seemed to be shouting, screaming and chanting a little bit louder than normal so I asked one of my Muslim neighbours(Nice guy, dude would give you the shirt off his back), What are they all up in arms about now? Turns out they were praising and cheering for the two Muslim extremist scum that carried out said act!

reply to post by andy06shake


Yep - in Scotland we've always regarded these matters as being problems elsewhere.

My first ever job was in Govanhill - at that time it was inhabited by Irish. It has changed radically since then - I actually enjoy the diverse energy of the place these days.

reply to post by christina-66


I'm far from convinced that was a gathering specifically to condemn this act. It seems to me that it was a normal Friday prayers with a mention to it.