The One Man who can End Barack Obama’s Presidency Tomorrow

Originally posted by muse7
Lol

By adding "-gate" to everything, it really shows how desperate you people really are.

Here's a little factoid for you.

When helicopters suffer a mechanical malfunction while in flight, they tend to come down and crash and depending on the altitude and speed that the helicopter was going the occupants might not survive.

But I know that you get off on the impeachment porn that right wing blogs keep feeding you.

Uh.....the helicopter did not crash. The two agents "fell from a significant distance...."

reply to post by FlyersFan


John Galt - the writer of that idiotic "what if" blog post - is the name of a fictional character in Atlas Shrugged, that sociopathic rightwing wet dream that Ayn Rand turned into an epic snorefest of a fiction novel. That means that whoever penned that waste of 5 minutes didn't even want to be personally or professionally associated with the foolishness that he (or she) cobbled together.

The reliable word on what happened to those SEALs includes the fact that none of them were on the mission that took out bin Laden, and that there are over 200 SEALs on SEAL Team 6 - most of who weren't involved in that specific mission.

What the hell would you people do with a real conspiracy?

Oh yeah....that's right....you'd turn the goddamn thing into a permanently useless, aimless parlor guessing game.

reply to post by FlyersFan


Who cares? At this point in the deal, it would be even more counter-productive to have somebody step in (especially Biden) for the rest of the term. I'll even pick a corrupt as hell Obama over Biden running the show.

I would hope that if the General has something - that strong - that he does come forward w/it - the sooner the better.
the imposter potus has left one big mess.

reply to post by FlyersFan


Lot of talk and no action is not a hallmark of NWO. Means they are not ready, so no risk to Obama.

Anyway a retired general will not be the reason.

Originally posted by beezzer
reply to post by FlyersFan

 

Obama-gate. The man is a walking conspiracy theory. Funny how he said he'd have the most transparent administration and what we finally have is secrets and lies and obfuscation and blame.

Oh what interesting times we live in!

only in the minds of right-wingers....when "maybes and ifs" are used for evidence against Obama.

Originally posted by Aloysius the Gaul
reply to post by NavyDoc

 

They ambushed the helicopter and fired at it from above and het sides - they used at least 2 RPG's as well as other weapons, and it doesn't matter whether they were guided or not - as long as 1 RPG hit the chopper was in trouble - and maybe even if none hit.

Read the articles linked to in the post I made immediately before yours.

edit on 23-5-2013 by Aloysius the Gaul because: (no reason given)

If they fired two, is still would have been a very lucky shot unless the bird was hovering or close to it. RPG is not the most accurate of weapons. I've seen them arc past a few hundred yards because the solid propellant is used up quite quickly. Ballistically, they are really just scaled up versions of the model rockets you played with as a kid.

Just dropping into the thread, had a thought as folks discuss the feasibility of the RPG hit,:

Maybe they were taken out by one the alleged State Dept. Stingers? Hmmmm?

That fact would certainly make this shoot-down scenario VERY worthy of a cover-up...

pjmedia.com...

Originally posted by ShadeWolf
reply to post by Battleline

 

All that tech is designed to defeat advanced MANPADS missiles, something like an FIM-92 or an Igla. The insurgent's weapon of choice, the RPG-7 is an unguided rocket that's not much different from something you'd see in WWII. The only way to avoid an unguided rocket is either to shoot it down (HELLADS-style) or physically dodge it.

And cut the garbage about an RPG not being able to hit a helicopter in flight. It's happened several times, especially when the helo in question is as ungainly and slow as a Chinook.

Control your ridicule slick I said nothing about an RPG not being able to hit an helicopter in flight I was suggesting all things being equal pilots being capable nothing would have much chance. That being said I would think the Chinook would have just veered away or the RPG round only having a range of 1100 meters would flown above it but this is all speculation................anything is possible if all you want to do is argue.

reply to post by hellobruce
I guess you are all sure that an RPG was used, why don't you refer me to a link that says that the investigators know for sure that an RPG was used, something that doesn't say they got there info from the Taliban.

On the other hand I would think in a place where RPGs are used all the time a Chinook pilot would be totally capable of dodging or veering off like I'm sure they do quite often or fly above the RPG range 1100 meters. If they were heading to there landing then they would be a target but then that begs the question as to why they would land so close to structures that would hid someone with an RPG with no support.

Originally posted by Benevolent Heretic
Just some information about SEAL Teams... Each SEAL Team has about 200 members. And even FOX says the people who died in the helicopter crash were not the same people who executed the raid on Bin Laden's compound.

Three months after bin Laden’s death, members of the SEAL Team 6 force -- though apparently not the same ones who carried out the bin Laden raid -- were on board the CH-47 Chinook transport helicopter, along with its Army National Guard aircrew, several support personnel and seven Afghan commandos.

People in the military die. In helicopter accidents. I'm not sure I see the conspiracy.

edit on 5/23/2013 by Benevolent Heretic because: (no reason given)

well since fox said it it must be true because surely the great all mighty fox news KNEW who was part of the actual raid.

I had a weird *Blip* thought. What if the General was one of the people in the "Coverup Crowd" and was keeping this administration from being "the most transparent administration"? I have no proof, just a thought that popped into my head.

Originally posted by FlyersFan

Originally posted by redtic
But you *want* it to be true, now don't you?? This is getting tiresome..

Don't tell me what I want and don't want. You have no clue.

Originally posted by muse7
By adding "-gate" to everything, it really shows how desperate you people really are.

No matter how much you call others 'desperate' .. that doesn't make it true.

Obama is up to his eyeballs in scandal and illegal activities all around him.
That's the truth of the matter.
The messiah has no halo ... his horns are showing.
Deal with it.

While I cannot say that I see any particular conspiracy in the helicopter deaths, I will say this about Obama's administration:

In any organization you will find that (generally speaking) the organization reflects the ethical philosophy of the leaders of said organization. This may not always apply, but it is true as a general statement.

This being said, what we are seeing these days with regards to the AP bugging scandal, the House Cloak Room bugging scandal (which, btw, is very similar in nature to Watergate), and the IRS scandal does not speak well of the leadership in this country.

Most of my political views are somewhat libertarian in nature however I do not endorse one party over the other for the simple reason that Democrats do not represent my philosophy or values. Republicans, in deed, do not reflect my philosophy either.

Name the last Republican presiden who actually shrunk spending or the size of government. They are all out to wring every last penny they can from our pockets while increasing the size of govt and our dependency on the govt.

I would like to see presidents impeached anytime they exceed the powers granted by the Constitution. I would like to see congress held to account for their excesses with regards to the powers granted by the constitution. There should be term limits....

As far as the Judicial branch...there should be no such thing as serving for life. Legislating from the bench should result in the impeachment or removal of judges, including our Supreme Court.

Originally posted by Skada
I had a weird *Blip* thought. What if the General was one of the people in the "Coverup Crowd" and was keeping this administration from being "the most transparent administration"? I have no proof, just a thought that popped into my head.

If the administration had exhibited any transparency in the least, or at least an effort at transparency, then I might give this thought some credence. However, such is not the case.

This administration has fallen woefully short in the "transparency arena".

Given that government shows no inkling of transparency (whatever the party in power), absolutely nothing can be taken off the table as a mere matter of course. Besides, politicians lie with such ease (except Bush who try as he undoubtedly has, can't get a handle on the skill much less been able to hone it). He's such a dead give away.

My guess is that they sent in the Broadwell women to make him have an extramarital affair so that he'd resign.

This was to discredit any negative information he may have about the administration.

Further he is getting up in age and were he to say anything it might be found out he passed away unexpectedly from something.

Also, even if he does say anything he can be further discredited by bringing up other stuff related to broadwell, like tapes that haven't been released yet

reply to post by Battleline


That last bit was less at you and more at the rest of the thread. The Chinook in question was flying up a valley into the village of Jaw-e-Mekh Zareen to support a raid on a Taliban compound. Apparently the local Taliban fighters knew this was the route they'd be taking, and hid in the mountainsides with RPGs and other heavy weapons. Basically, what you're looking at is an incident very much like the Mogadishu/Operation Gothic Serpent battle in 1994, where two Blackhawks were shot down by RPG-armed Somali militias.

Originally posted by blamethegreys
Just dropping into the thread, had a thought as folks discuss the feasibility of the RPG hit,:

Maybe they were taken out by one the alleged State Dept. Stingers? Hmmmm?

That fact would certainly make this shoot-down scenario VERY worthy of a cover-up...

pjmedia.com...

As nice as that sounds from a conspiracy point of view, it's much less likely than the official RPG story, for several reasons. One, a captured FIM-92 Stinger would (presumably, if not modified) pick up on a Chinook's IFF transponder and not fire on it. Two, the Chinook has a lot of sophisticated countermeasures systems to evade MANPADS systems. It's got launch warning systems, several varieties of radar jammers (of no use against a Stinger, those are IR-guided), and flare dispensers, which should be able to spoof an incoming Stinger.

Originally posted by InhaleExhale
reply to post by FlyersFan

 

The question mark on the end doesn't make it a question.

This is a new conspiracy theory I haven't heard of yet, please continue as I am

I thought that in the English language when a sentence is written and finishes of with a question mark it makes it question, You know because of the ?

I thought in the english language we had something called a rhetorical question?

The above is a perfect example, as I don't need you to answer it.

reply to post by ShadeWolf
You have provided some good info, this is what I look for, its a debate not an argument thank you.

One thing I did find when I was looking up RPGs was the last Chinook that was shot down in circumstances like this was 2005............just a thought.

reply to post by NorEaster


at the time when it happened, your argument would have worked. but after the revelations about Egypt, Libya, and now in Syria, it is evident that the US government, and BHO in particular, is heavily involved in back scratching agreements with al Qaeda.
it is not far fetched that the AQ leadership, enjoying their newly promoted status after bin ladens demise, wouldn't want some face saving gestures, and a sign of good faith, to kick off their newly minted partnership.
it wouldn't necessarily have to be THE team 6 participants. any seals would do. sounds as credible as believing some of the most highly trained and professional soldiers, pilots, ground controllers, and commanders in the world willfully violated a dozen operational protocols and got them taken out by an amazingly fluke shot.