GOPer Who Got Millions in Farm Subsidies Thinks the Poor Should Starve Rather Than Get Food Stamps

Well if they ever were to cut the food stamp program they may want to spend about 5 to 10 years teaching people how to be self sufficient. That is the problem after all. We (I mean about 98% of people in this country) rely on grocery stores for food and if that food ever stopped being shipped to the grocery stores people would not know how to plant and grow crops. That being said I dont think its a food stamp problem, I think its the education level of most Americans that create a dependency mindset! That goes for everyone on foodstamps and everyone whose not. Me and my wife dont make a lot of money but we get by just fine and we both work. We are expecting and we were able to get on the Medicaid program ( I dont have 10000 dollars for a child). That being said, I will never use Wic at all because the food that you can buy with WIC is extemely unhealthy and fake. If the government really cared about the health of the nation then they would only allow for organic natural products to be purchased through their programs. This is obviously not the case. Per month, we only get $10 for vegetables and its for nothing organic. If you just take a step back and realize that right or left is not for you, it is against you. Feeding you synthetic food, indoctrination, racial tensions orchestrated through the media, etc... I sometimes wish that the system would collapse. I feel that if it doesnt, one day we will live in a society where we have to pay to breath. Sorry for ranting..

reply to post by 1337s0lja


No, it's okay. You're not 'ranting'. I hear what you're saying. My first child was born with full insurance coverage in a 'state of the art' "Birthing Center" in 1988. It was a labor/delivery/recovery room, and I had the same nurse throughout.

During my second child's pregnancy (they were both planned and wanted by the way) we had no insurance and had to rely on the public health system. ENTIRELY different experience. I won't go into details here, but it was at a "teaching" hospital....and the service was really not so great. (They tried to tell me they were 'too busy' when I called to say my water had broken.)

BUT, why do you think WIC-approved foods are "fake"? I see the labels at the grocer's that say "WIC-approved" applied to canned tuna, frozen veggies, cheese, etc.
I worked for years (social worker) with families who used public health system and depended on WIC....and I didn't see anything "fake" about the approved foods.
Just sayin'.
Good luck with your baby!!! Your life is about to change forever!!

ETA: Oh,and, when my kids were little, I taught them how to garden, and how to shop at local farmers' markets or roadside "truck farmers" stands, or go directly to the orchard to get fresh peaches (nom nom).
But yes, most people rely on grocery stores. Not many could survive without them. I believe my family could. (Husband is a seasoned hunter of game, and I know how to fish and taught my kids how, too.)

Rich people being upset at poor people for ANY reason is the most mind boggling thing I can think of.

If i was rich i wouldn't care if there was a population that refused to work and got free food. They are POOR! Their life pretty much SUCKS! You're mad that they get a free spam sandwich while you eat your steak? Out of all the things the Gov spends money on that is a complete waste, you choose the one that feeds hungry people to be mad at? Talk about hate in your heart. Unbelievable...

Rich people will never understand that they are lucky enough to be part of the MINORITY that enjoys living a life where money isn't an issue everyday from when you wake up till you go to sleep. When the government admits to "losing" Trillions of dollars of taxpayers money nobody says anything, but poor people are the problem? If you simply ignored welfare your rich life would go fully uninterrupted. Try it out, i bet you if you just ignore poor people's welfare, you will still have a full tank of gas, a nice house, car and bi-yearly vacations.

Then you have the nerve to quote the bible? Jesus would have been all for welfare and free healthcare, you can't even try and deny that one...

reply to post by Trueminatti

Rich people will never understand that they are lucky enough to be part of the MINORITY that enjoys living a life where money isn't an issue everyday from when you wake up till you go to sleep.

I think you're right. And that's a good reason for 'rich people' to NOT be in government. They simply can't relate, and don't get it. Romney being a prime example.

reply to post by wildtimes

But Fincher has received millions - $3.2 million as of June 2010 - in federal crop subsidies

Fincher's brother and father also snatched another $6.7 million in subsidies

disgusting hypocrites...

It is in the interests of people living near the apex of the economic pyramid to make sure that the bottom level of the pyramid is strong and stable. For obvious reasons.



I think that with the discovery that they could ship jobs overseas and subvert the taxation system in the country, a lot of people at the top of the pyramid came to the conclusion that they don't really need all levels of the society anymore and that the lower levels are dispensable. That's a recipe for trouble.

I see what the headline did there. Politicized something. So there is comparably wealthy farm person who uses scripture to justify his belief system, but it's a political party problem? No. It's a reporter problem.

Typically people who quote that scripture get misquoted, frequently, by the press. It is a total misquote that he would say the "poor should starve". Go back to the National Enquirer, sensationalist press.

I don't match that outrage. Okay, there is a jab at hypocrisy. And then you can take a look at big pictures, and talk is cheap. Farmer's subsidized crops are likely to go into food products that get bought by food stamp using people along with the rest of the financially solvent population. So I see his bias for industry support but not government-sourced philanthropy for individual households.

Maybe I'd be steamed if the same farmer had a plantation of illegal (yes I still use that term) Mexicans that he used to harvest his crops, overlooking the available homegrown work force in the interest of the greatest good bank account.

Did you know it is possible to work and still qualify for food stamps? Did you know that the government doesn't give a rip who you voted for or support when you apply for food stamps?

Now I'm not going to play with this too hard because sometimes Monsanto does the spin doctor thing and starts a campaign for the hungry, with the slant of using GMO crops to fill the hunger gap. So I see where this sensationalism could go.

reply to post by jssaylor2007

I agree with you. A co-worker was complaining that his dad's unemployment was about to end. I asked how long he had been unemployed and he said one year. I said he must have a nice garden by now and he looked at me like I was nuts. First, unemployment is a mandatory insurance for 6 months paid by the employer not an unlimited welfare fund. I was allowed only 3 months unemployment when I left the USAF and moved to another state. Second, if you are sponging off taxpayers to gold plate your lazy rear, you should at least raise a garden or go hungry..

Bump

reply to post by ipsedixit


Yes, this is my line of thinking as well.

Go ahead and cut those programs in your district you hypocritical fatcat.

See how fast # gets real.

In a complex society like ours, there are going to be winners and losers. If you don't get an education, if you don't have a marketable skill, if you have sub-normal intelligence, if you have mental problems, you will most likely be one of the losers. A lot of people fit into that category now. Some of them do crimes, a lot of them become drug and alcohol addicted freeloaders. In ancient Rome, a large percentage of the population got free food every day. We are the same. One in seven Americans lives off of food stamps now. We need to do something to make more of these people employable and employed. What I've seen is that people end up with no skills and no prospects but, at best, a "McJob". And then they don't care, because they can do as well on the public dole. What I believe we need to do is to teach kids who aren't going to go for a BA or a BS the skills they need to get a good job before they leave school. They used to do stuff like that, but now all the schools do is teach courses you will need to go to college. How much of what they taught you in grade school do you remember now? Not much? So why not teach more of the relevant skills that most kids will need later.

reply to post by wildtimes


There is no surprise here. This is the thinking of Monarchists or New World Order.

It is all about money and power. This is the thinking of Satan.

I agree that people should work. However if you drain the work opportunities and create a highly imbalanced compensation structure, how will people work?

Makes you wonder that mass starvation is part of their plan.

reply to post by Trueminatti


Great post these fat cat politicians make me sick. They put a 4 year lifetime limit on welfare in Michigan and it was retroactive when it went into effect. They cut 50,000 people off in the first month. I know people going hungry because of these dirt bags.

Originally posted by 1337s0lja
Well if they ever were to cut the food stamp program they may want to spend about 5 to 10 years teaching people how to be self sufficient. That is the problem after all. We (I mean about 98% of people in this country) rely on grocery stores for food and if that food ever stopped being shipped to the grocery stores people would not know how to plant and grow crops. That being said I dont think its a food stamp problem, I think its the education level of most Americans that create a dependency mindset! That goes for everyone on foodstamps and everyone whose not. Me and my wife dont make a lot of money but we get by just fine and we both work. We are expecting and we were able to get on the Medicaid program ( I dont have 10000 dollars for a child). That being said, I will never use Wic at all because the food that you can buy with WIC is extemely unhealthy and fake. If the government really cared about the health of the nation then they would only allow for organic natural products to be purchased through their programs. This is obviously not the case. Per month, we only get $10 for vegetables and its for nothing organic. If you just take a step back and realize that right or left is not for you, it is against you. Feeding you synthetic food, indoctrination, racial tensions orchestrated through the media, etc... I sometimes wish that the system would collapse. I feel that if it doesnt, one day we will live in a society where we have to pay to breath. Sorry for ranting..

Our society would collapse without the food stamp safety net. During the first Great Depression, millions upon millions of American's starved to death. That was even with strong local food markets/ small farms throughout the nation.

Ironically, the percentage of people on food stamps to day, is similar to the percentages of people who starved to death during the Great Depression.

The system as it is no longer works, adjustments have to be made.

Technology and labor are always in conflict, jobs are ALWAYS eliminated by technological advancements and more efficient workplace practices and production methods.

For you horn tooters out there who think it is simply a matter of whether one is willing to work or not, imagine you are a happily employed, albeit low paid grocery checkout clerk, maybe somewhat computer illiterate, that was recently replaced by one of those self checkouts at the market.

Really, who is or are the ones investing less?, working less if you will?.

Sometimes I read some really stupid stuff in the replies here about thing s like this we are discussing now, so before I get angry and say something stupid and get banned for a year again, I'm gonna go.

But one more thing, the motivation of those willing to work is frequently nullified to complete unimportance by the removal of opportunity by more efficient production methods, and going into debt for a college education is about the stupidest thing one can do. That educational debt only feeds you into doing the types of jobs that are being eliminated in the worst case scenario, not everyone can be what everyone wants to be.

Another thing though, if you young motivated hard workers who don't necessarily know a whole lot about much of anything would give it a bit of thought, food stamps being removed from your fake economy you really know nothing about isn't really what you want to have happen.

Once the poor die off and the mortician industry calms down and falters, you who gloat at yourself in the mirror are going to be next.

The most motivated in this country still amount to little more than lazy asses anyway......

Originally posted by wildtimes
reply to post by jssaylor2007

 

see my edit to the post you're attacking.
YES, I HAVE EVER.
So booya.

"Move"? "Cesspool"? FYI, I am not a bottom-feeder or a system leech. Fortunately my husband IS gainfully employed and our kids are out on their own. We can't "move" if he wants to keep HIS job, which pays enough for both of us to survive. One income household. Hardly any debt (the mortgage is the only one aside from a student loan that I can't repay due to "hardship" status). We live within our means, in a modest neighborhood.

We spend only on absolute necessities (food, fuel) and occasional household maintenance items. We don't go on shopping sprees for the new season's "fashions".

Our vehicles are paid for in full.
WE MAKE DO WITH WHAT WE HAVE. And retirement is not looking good.

No, it's not a cesspool, and I'm not lazy. The cost of living here is mercifully low. I've reached that horrible "over 50" category which no one wants to hire, and I've even tried the places that AARP says are looking for older workers.

Your ideas are naive.

edit on 22-5-2013 by wildtimes because: (no reason given)

Just checking in on this thread, and want to point out that I find it humorous how members edit their posts after the fact to appear as if they made a point in the first place when they in fact did not.

reply to post by buster2010


Come visit the panhandle of Texas and you will see why. All of those decisions were made during the dust bowl, and it has been coming out of the CRP program for the past few years. The land around my house went from looking like native grass to looking like the Sahara desert within 3 years of drought.

reply to post by buster2010


Funny how your quotes dont mention the emperor/pharisees/government in general helping them. It mentions a brother helping a brother.

Originally posted by Sankari

Originally posted by jssaylor2007Farms MUST be subsidized due to the gross government manipulation of agricultural commodities.

No. You have got it completely backwards. Subsidisation is gross government manipulation of agricultural commodities.

Farm subsidies are a classic case of big government waste. You are defending big government by insisting that farmers are subsidised by massive taxpayer-funded handouts instead of being allowed to succeed or fail on the basis of free market forces.

I must conclude you are a socialist.

Guess I'm a socialist then, and proud of it.

reply to post by jssaylor2007


I edit my posts because I'm a writer and that's my habit. I type something, and then I review it to see if I made myself clear or not. Frequently I edit to remove typos, clear up grammatical errors, or expand on something I said earlier.

Ad Hominem, again. (see tenth's reply to you on page one).

I pay attention to what I write. For many this site is simply entertainment and a place to blow off steam. For me, it's a sincere effort to make a difference in this world.