Bachmann Once Again Invokes God, Panders To The Religious. Where's The Personal Responsibility?

reply to post by darkbake


I agree..

Just makes me so mad to see people like her get elected and to cling on to something like the "Tea Party" and claim to be it's champion. The reason I think they are doing this is to let these obvious nut jobs attach their name to it so they can drag it down.. take away it's credibility.. everyone can see she is a nut job, she proves it every time she opens her mouth.

Originally posted by tothetenthpower
I'm at a loss as to why moderate groups are always so quiet with the extremists, who make them look like idiots, start mouthing off.

Honestly, I'm thinking that most people in this country haven't heard that she said this. I watch the news and read news online and I didn't know she said this until you made a thread about it. I'm thinking .. most people ignore Michelle Bachmann these days. Anyways .. that's my thought on it.

I just wanted to add that I think Michelle needs out because this is at least the second (that I've heard) statement in as many weeks which is far more fitting from a Church pulpit than a Political Podium. We aren't Afghanistan with Crosses and Churches instead of Mosques and Crescents and I'll certainly not watch it become that by people like her who think 80% of American identifying Christian in Faith means that 80% of America wants to live in a theology. The two aren't remotely connected and she seems to have missed that point entirely.

Having said that..... Those who are equally fanatic about removing all hints of religion are just as bad or worse than she is. The other extreme and not one bit better. The 1st is about freedom of religion or..freedom without having a religion at all. It is not and have never been Freedom FROM religion. Our Constitution opens with acknowledgement of our Creator as the Higher Power...and in a way open for each to read that with personal meaning. Our Congress and Supreme Court open with Prayers while the 10 Commandments do hang proudly in the Supreme Court Building, as a reminder of the values (not specific Faith) our nation was centered on, based in and founded with.

Basic religious values and overall sense of faith are a good thing....tho not required by everyone. Pushing for a specific faith or the requirement to have one ...OR pushing for no Faith to anyone else, at all, is equally BAD and equally unAmerican.

reply to post by tothetenthpower


I know there's a rule somewhere in the T&C agreement that forbids one line post but in this particular case, there really is a one line answer to Bachmann mentality; "Stupid is, as Stupid does."

F&S for the OP!

reply to post by ProfEmeritus

I get it. Everyone is entitled to free speech EXCEPT Evangelicals and "zealous" Catholics.

No, and you won't be able to point out in any of my posts where that was stated. I was making a personal observation.

By the way, what do you consider a zealous Catholic, someone that practices their religion?

Ah yes, play the " you must had anybody who practices religion". Actually my house hold is multi faith. 3 different ones exist in perfect harmony.

Your OP is extremely troubling and offensive to those of us that practice our religion, regardless of what religion that is.

Let me get this straight.

1. Michell Bachmann says that nothing short of a "miracle" will get rid of Obamacare.
2. Offers absolutely no real world alternative other than god's intervention.
3.The people she's talking to, take what she says at face value and do not question it.

Yet you are offended and troubled that somebody is asking her why she doesn't believe in the legislative body she is a part of? Wondering why people of faith will allow somebody who is suppose to work for them, simply chalk up every success or defeat to 'divine' intervention?

It's far more troubling that the religious do not point out the insanity of waiting on God to fix things when the things that need fixing are broken because we broke them. It's our mess to fix, not God's.

I never once attacked religious folk in this OP or any of the subsequent posts. I pointed out that in mostly all groups, including religious ones that the moderate majority never speaks out against the fringe minority.

It seems that you are unable to look at anything from an objective point of view, where religion is concerned, as you always claim to be offended when anybody doesn't say how glorious it all is.

~Tenth

reply to post by FlyersFan


Although that's probably true, IMO ignoring her and allowing her to continue saying really questionable things, is worse.

~Tenth

reply to post by Frogs


Yep, The same way they supported the Inquisition, the burning of millions for witchcraft, the Nazi's.

She caters to a cetain crown. They eat it up while most people role their eyes. It is not like she really does any harm. She has evey right to make herself look like an idiot.

reply to post by Chrisfishenstein


What she said is our prayers to God will make him make it happen. What? Prayer goes out to whom if not god? She certainly is saying that God will do this based on our suplication to him to intervene on our behalf. So yes she is saying God will get rid of Obamacare.
I am a Dem and even I dont want the government telling me I have to buy insurance. Some folks would have to choose insurance or eat, insurance is that expensive.

It seems that you are unable to look at anything from an objective point of view, where religion is concerned, as you always claim to be offended when anybody doesn't say how glorious it all is.

reply to post by tothetenthpower

First of all, what makes you think I am ALWAYS offended by anybody that doesn't say how glorious it is." Point out where I ALWAYS am offended. Hyperbole seems to be your trademark.
In addition, you ignored my question. What do you consider a zealous Roman Catholic? What is a zealous Jew, or a zealous Protestant? Someone that follows the rules and beliefs?
Is your attitude that a "little religion is ok, just don't follow all of its beliefs"?
Please elaborate.

Wow. That's pretty interesting.
I would hazard to say that it seems to show a very typical Americanization of Christianity. Almost since the beginning of America as we know it, American Christians have mixed faith with politics pretty deeply.
I'm not going to say that is all bad–the current ideals of democracy appear to be rooted in Christian thought (at least, if Nietzsche and de Tocqueville are correct) but Christian Americans sometimes seem to act as if democracy (and America itself) was given to them by the Hand of God. In this case, Bachmann seems to believe the Hand of God will intervene and save us from tyranny.
Which leads me to ask–why would God give America any special dispensation?
Just my .02.

reply to post by tothetenthpower


I don't think Ms. Bachman understands.

Things are going to get worse according to scripture. Not better. There's a reason Obama is president for better or worse.

reply to post by tothetenthpower
You could ask very basically the same question of the IRS boss lady...or does that not count because she's liberal like you?

reply to post by tothetenthpower

Tenth-Your lack of faith is a testament as how we got in this mess here in our country. Yours and lots of ours failure to have good belief that our little world is over seen by entities good and bad shows your lack of faith...When you DEMONIZE a person for invoking that a GOOD POWER greater than herself(do ya know what humility might be??) can and could change EVIL it tells those of us with faith what you believe....She is not the issue. What Bachmann believes is not the issue. Her IQ ranks alot higher than yours. She has done more good than you can ever come close to. Ill pound you out verbally as you bash others for having the solid vision that built this country while evil lives in the White House. We are Patriots, however, we believe in an awesome God, and this incredible country of ours was built on it and if ya don't like too bad. Go cry and whine and spew your BS.You are fast becoming the minority view as people finally wake up to the wicked evil take over of the United States of America.We are a hundred million strong.Come try and get us.

Originally posted by MrSpad
She caters to a cetain crown.

did you mean to put "r" before or after the "e" in cetain??

Since the USA is a country which allows religious freedom, but is secular when it comes to government, what would happen if a senator would say: "Allah will help us to overcome this socialist President!"

The outcry would be massive.

I could't care less what sb. believes as long as I am not negatively effected.
If a politician promotes radical propaganda of one or the other religion, I feel controlled and misrepresented.

If Mrs. Bachmann would live up to her high standards, she would be rooting for more public healthcare and against any war or drone strike, conducted by the US government, because "What would Jesus do?" ...

Politics should be rational and beneficial for ALL citizens of a county.


In Germany the "Christian Democratic Union", the conservative party allows to sell more Weapons than ever... 80 million Germans and we're the worlds 3rd largest weapons exporting country after the USA and China. Same sh't different place. But even from the partymembers with a C, you don't hear anything near this Bachmann rant. As a European I can only say, that I'm happy, that noone shoves religion down my throat like that.

The funny thing is, that the persecuted lutheran sects were accepted among many other religious groups in the early days of the USA. Nowadays the loud minority claims to have god by their side, wherever they can.
Oh the irony

Every time a liberal politician makes a pitch for liberal causes, they are "pandering" to their liberal base. I guess tenth believes it is ok to pander, as long as the "pandering" is meant for the liberal audience.
Conclusion:
Liberals may pander.
Conservatives may not.
I get it.
Now, one sincere question. Could someone at ATS explain how someone who is a moderator here at ATS can be unbiased when it comes to "moderating", when one has such a belief? This is not meant as a slur, but a VERY serious question.

reply to post by ProfEmeritus


Because nothing that staff does happens in a vacuum. There are liberal, conservative, libertarian, centre and just about every other political stripe amongst staff. If any of us were to start just removing stuff based on what politics we don't agree with, it would be reigned in quickly and that person could very well be removed from staff if egregious enough. It has happened in the past. All the stuff we do is very, very transparent.