Armed police walking the streets in England

Originally posted by cody599

It is a different world than it used to be. War used to be waged in fronts and not by people blended into societies. People have gotten a little crazy also, I am trying to identify the reasons but it's complex. Why name a disease when you could stop the disease from manifesting instead.

reply to post by rickymouse

 

These estates are the pits
I live on an estate that council throw the scum of society into, I am the only person in my block with a mortgage and one of the few with a job and self respect.

The trouble is every body is bored and frustrated, apart from me, I watch kids getting told to shut the 'F' up before they get a slap and my heart bleeds. There is a lack of self respect amongst the parents and the poor kids have no chance.

I was having a smoke outside last year and a kid asked me where my clothes were from, I said it's my work uniform, his reaction

You work

. My mum got nicked the other day stealing from asda

The really sad thing is he said it like it's an everyday occurrence, I asked what he wanted to be when he grew up. His answer : a labourer

Why ? Because that would be better than his dad ever did

I said why not a pilot ? He laughed, I said all you have to do is believe and study hard and you can be anything you wish.

He ran off glanced back and said

You mean that don't you mister ?

I said with all my heart.

Thanks mister

My wife knows his teacher, his grades have rocketed and I've seen him around looking happy his mum is now a proud parent, and has found a job, at asda strange enough.

There is hope. There is always hope

Cody

Cody599,

You are tha Man!
It doesn't take much does it.


Mike Grouchy

reply to post by cody599


Years ago I lived in an estate that ripe with everything such as drugs n guns (wood end, Coventry)
It was similar to that new tv programe Skint.

Ive observed over the last ten years how much its changed.
Its still a #e hole but full of african immigrants as well as a few others.
But i have noticed this, Its not scary anymore for eg: if you broke down and went to find a local phone box
you would expect to be minus 4 wheels and a battery upon returning (15 yrs ago)

But you are right as in these estates were setup to throw the low end of the working sector into
(plenty of sources on the interweb to validate this.)

Thatcher saw an oppertunity here..."why not let them think they are working themselves out of poverty by letting them buy their home that they currently live in. Not only will a feeling of self pride be felt, but also they will still be living there.

reply to post by cody599


I'm just not going to go on your OP, which we have established to be misleading. From the Daily Mail article

Kyle Beckford, 22, was sentenced to 24 years for killing Delaney Brown, 19, by driving a stolen BMW at him last year. Read more: www.dailymail.co.uk... Follow us: @MailOnline on Twitter | DailyMail on Facebook

Kyle Beckford and Delany Brown are not muslim names. Another guy shot was called Paul Foster again not a Muslim name. It's not like the Daily Mail to be politically correct over such issues concerning Islamic gangs.

I'm not doubting your knowledge of the area and the elements of the gangs involved, but the way you framed your OP, made me inquisitive to find out a little more. Not debunking, just trying to find out a little more.

Meh, I live in London, you get used to seeing police carrying guns.

Could be worse you could in Manchester.

reply to post by woodwardjnr



Hya

Maybe op was quick to post but
The mssg is still the same, no matter how much its boxed with a pretty ribbon on it

Labour efed up with immigration and left loopholes left right n centre
Now we have so many cultures clashing and its only a matter of time before gun carrying by the British police
becomes common place.

But get this, all screens down im talking from the heart

Feck london, LONDON has done nothing put pillage and rape the British isles for as long as i can remember.

Fact: London has more non British born now.
Midlands: NHS cannot cope with the baby boom.

Firstly .. I want to apologise for a reply I hadn't wrote. Before clickin I was expecting this thread to be along the lines of 'OMG I saw a policeman carrying a gun in my town, police state etc etc' .. I was wrong lol.

What I will reply with is this .. I am in no way way racist I accept other cultures/beliefs/religion at the end of the day we can only be ourselves, hell I'm sure someone's got something had to say about me but I'm just me I can't help. Anyway I blame half the increase of violent crimes on the immigration problem we have. If your from the UK you hear alot about sexual natures crimes (rape, sex trafficking etc) who tend to be the suspects Asian gangs or Eastern Europeans.
*massive apologies if anyone is offended by what I say it's my own way of seeing it I haven't come here to be racist or to offend anyone*

In my job as a security guard for a large chain supermarket I live about 50 miles east of London in Essex. The vast majority of the large shop lifting/theft, when I say large I mean like nicking £1000 worth of good in one hit. It's mostly immigrants or persons from a foreign country. The lower level thefts tend to be the local jobless child benefit teenagers young adults who I tend to see as more oppotunitests, they see something worth nicking (say may e a DVD player computers game etc) and just try and get away with it. Now ill be honest hardly any theft we have the majority of people are unarmed. In about 6 years of doing the job Ive only had a few incidents dealing with weapons. But on another note I've got more of a chance of being attacked with a weapon in my local neighbourhood when I'm walking home or going to a friends.

The blame the second half of increase in crime is as some of you have touched on.. The younger generation. Just a few weeks ago we stopped two 13 year old boys for stealing packets of sweets. Cut a story short we had to call the police due to their age but also they are known trouble makers to our shop and we had enough also due to their age we have to call the police or their parents (we couldn't get in touch with their parents at the time). Anyway police checked them and they had records for shop lifting, assault, burglary and robbery. I didn't meet the parents but I could imagine the typical non motivated jobless parents who just kick their kids out for the afternoon or evening so they can continue running the baby factory in the bedroom. I feel for the kids sometimes because they have got no hope no help or no drive/motivation from their parents. They have no role idea no hobbies nothing.
Another time I was talking to a boy who was just being a pain in the rear end at the shop, gave him a ticking off the whole "you'll get a criminal record won't get a job" etc etc talking to just trying to get some sense in them. The reply I got was "that's ok ill work with my dad", "what does your dad do" I ask, "he is a scrap metal dealer".
Now for some users on here that might not understand a scrap metal dealer is basically someone in a flat bed van going around stealing or just taking people metal and trading it for money. Good job prospects huh!

To finish my reply I also partly blame the state of the country because of its slack justice system. Jails are like hotels for criminals, one shop lifter we had stole a tv, we asked why he done it. He answered with "if I get caught I can go back to prison life is bette inside. I eat sleep keep dry and warm and watch tv all day. I've got nothing in the outside world. But if I got away I would of bad a free Tv I win which anyway this turns out" said with a smile.
As for armed police I see them at least 3 times a week usually coming into the shop to buy thei Krispy kream donuts (come on everyone loves them). Should police be armed ? I say give the police officer the decision some officers might not feel comfutable doing so.

Anyway that's my answer sorry if its off topic slightly as I realise I've just waffled on haha

reply to post by rival

It's a culture shock 'moment' for me when I am reminded that the British Police are mostly unarmed. It is hard for me (being a Yank) to even fathom that scenario.

Me too, and I'm Canadian. I don't remember a time when our cops haven't been armed.
And I've never considered Canada a "police state".
They're armed, always, all of them. Some more than others.
They're fairly easy going up here for the most part - they have to discipline themselves with their guns. Wrongful shootings are frowned upon in Canada much more than in the states.

Our cops always have to be up against the fact that criminals have weapons. We have a lot of guns in Canada - we don't have a "gun culture" though. We mostly use them for hunting, or protection from wild animals.

Plus, a lot of guns come into Canada from the US.

Here, I'd be more worried about being tasered than being wrongfully shot, I think it could even be possible that we have more taser deaths, than wrongful shootings by cops

These days, with globalization and world immigration, I would expect that cops would need to be fully armed in all countries and areas, just to keep themselves and citizens safe.

reply to post by snowspirit


Gun related crime is still a very rare occurrence here in the UK.

Sure it's on the increase slightly and it's obviously more prevalent in certain areas of some of our major cities than it is every where else, but it is still much, much lower than other comparable country's.

Every local police force has armed response units and at times of heightened national security armed officers can be seen on patrol in places that are considered potential targets.

And that's the way we would like to keep it.

I hear you OP,

The only think that I take issue with in your OP is saying that there have been 9 shootings between rival “Muslim gangs”, I would like to see a link that these have been “Muslim Gangs”, to me it just seem like they are gangs with Muslim members.

Its saddening but at the same time it’s inevitable if you have a surge in gun crime then to protect a largely unarmed public you need to have a deterrent and that deterrent happens to be cops with guns.

I would hate for the UK to turn into America with everyone owning a gun but at the same time i would hate to have an entirely armed police force. For that reason the only solution seems to me to have a increase in armed cops to combat a increase in gun crime. It would be even worse to not have them and then have a mass-shooting and no armed police to intervene. As long as we have gun crime on our streets we need armed cops.

I know that the PSNI are all routinely armed as are the MoD police

Also has anyone ever noticed that our Armed cops always seem to look way “cooler” than the cops in other countries, just a side note.

Originally posted by mikegrouchy

What the heck is a "flying police squad?"

The Flying Squad are a part of the Mets Specialist Crime and Operations section. They specialise in armed robberies. They are one of the few units within the Met that are routinely armed.

The nickname The Flying Squad comes from their inception when they were the only part of the Met that wasn't restricted by borough boundaries. They could 'fly' between divisional areas without permission.

Kyle Beckford and Delany Brown are not muslim names. Another guy shot was called Paul Foster again not a Muslim name. It's not like the Daily Mail to be politically correct over such issues concerning Islamic gangs.

reply to post by woodwardjnr



You'll notice the interviewees were "frightened to leave their homes" until the armed police turned up

The non Muslim names the British names were scared to be British in Britian, this is NOT a muslim bashing thread. I was very careful to point out the minority here.

But as a Brit living 15 minutes or so from this I'm disgusted that it was allowed to escalate to this scale as I said.

By the way the people around here choose names to integrate especially when being interviewed. John Smith may well be Yusif Islam, a perfectly respectable born and bred white as snow Brit outside of his local community, that has been radicalised.

I'll be shopping tomorrow and I guarantee I'll see at least one radical white Muslim convert with his wife in a burkha.

I'm not saying Muslims are bad people, I'm merely presenting local news about Muslim gangs, were they Christian, Jewish or Hindu, I would present the facts in the same manner.

Cody

Originally posted by PaddyInf

Originally posted by mikegrouchy

What the heck is a "flying police squad?"

The Flying Squad are a part of the Mets Specialist Crime and Operations section. They specialise in armed robberies. They are one of the few units within the Met that are routinely armed.

The nickname The Flying Squad comes from their inception when they were the only part of the Met that wasn't restricted by borough boundaries. They could 'fly' between divisional areas without permission.

Thanks PaddyInf,

That makes a lot of sense.
Much more than my imagination was cooking up,
as my limited American experience has always associated
the word "flying" with "circus" and well... you can imagine the picture.


Mike Grouchy

I'm just not going to go on your OP, which we have established to be misleading. From the Daily Mail article

reply to post by woodwardjnr


I'm sorry what was misleading?

But since the beginning of the year there has been 9 shootings between rival Muslim gangs. Now I don't agree that the police should be armed in general and would fight tooth and nail to prevent England becoming a police state.

Fact

However I do see the need for it in some cases, seeing armed police on the streets of my country saddens me terribly.

Fact

Four extra armed response units are in Luton to deal with expected "further violence", police say. Bedfordshire Police said there would be an increased presence in the Marsh Farm and Lewsey Farm estates after the recent spate of shootings. There have been 16 gun-related incidents in the town this year, nine of which have been shootings.

Fact

I NEVER thought I would see this in my lifetime, my how has my beautiful country changed beyond recognition in recent years.

Fact

What was misleading you ?
Cody

believe it or not those muslims were put there to piss you off the government puppet masters think forced intergration of 2 conflicting religious ideologys will eventually cause a social cataclysm at least that's what they are hoping for

reply to post by mikegrouchy


Mike call me Cody

I'm not the man
Just me
It doesn't take much, just a some lazy time and listening to a kid.

Amazing isn't it ?

Cody

reply to post by davesmart


I tend to avoid politics
I don't like to blame the gov't for my personal choices .
But yeah they could do more to help the lesser man.
Let's face it
It aint gonna happen

Cody

Originally posted by DPrice
Meh, I live in London, you get used to seeing police carrying guns.

Really ?
Where precisely ?
I've never seen an armed policeman in London and am proud to state that.

Cody

reply to post by cody599


It's just me I guess. Just seemed by posting the video of a protest from 2008 and linking it to the same story as armed police on the streets was intended to create a desired reaction. Your a smart guy Cody, I think you know the point I'm making, so I won't go on.

reply to post by OtherSideOfTheCoin

The only think that I take issue with in your OP is saying that there have been 9 shootings between rival “Muslim gangs”, I would like to see a link that these have been “Muslim Gangs”, to me it just seem like they are gangs with Muslim members.

As I said the gangs are muslim. It is a fact, however religion is irrelevant the fact that we in the UK have armed police (armed response) walking the streets in broad daylight is a sad state of affairs.


It's just so alien to me as a Brit.

Cody