What are we to do????

Originally posted by thunder2u

the government is getting too big, and too corrupt to control by "we the people". so what are we to do?

When the United States was founded, only a handful of men actually set the course of events and wrote that famous document that begins "We the People".

There were only 39 signatures to that document, 13 of which were the secretive Freemasons.

So, it really wasn't "We the People" who founded America. Just a small team. But, the ultimate goal, plan, intention, if you will, of the scheme laid out, was that eventually "We the People" would include all the people of the land.


So, from a tiny few, who formed the core of what you might have called "the government", way back then, the "We the People" team has been growing ever since, to encompass more and more of "the People".

The goal will have been achieved, when "We the People" have truly become the government, and that government that rules the people, then consists of all of the people of the land.

This is why the government is expanding.

The plan, all along, was right there in the opening phrase of the U;S. Constitution.

The intention always was that "We the People" should rule.

When the government employs all of the people, the objective, spelled out in the constitution, will have been reached.

Problems of society only exist when there is "us" and "them".

As long as a few people are ruling the many people, there will be injustice and corruption and strife. But, when there is no longer us and them, because "we " are "they", then there will no longer be any division between government and the rest of us.

"We the People" will rule.

That's the plan.

So, all you need to do, is "wait".

We're on the fast track, and the government is expanding rapidly, taking over all responsibilities, like insurance, that were once the providence of the private sector, and personal decisions.

"We the People" will make the best decisions for "us".

Originally posted by jiggerj
reply to post by thunder2u

 

why can't the powers to be just put themselves in the peoples position, and stop the insanity?

Right there you just answered why there are wars. Those in control, from dictators to presidents, just don't care about us. If a leader cared he would fight like hell to avoid war, not think of it as a viable and reasonable solution. Right now my government has placed our soldiers all over the world to protect the people of foreign lands. Well, why isn't the government doing everything in its power to protect our soldiers? These soldiers are OUR children. They're not freaking chess pieces.

Maybe the answer is: If a leader fully believes that a war is the only way out, then it should cost him/her/them something. Maybe they should have to, automatically, spend twenty years in prison. Hey, if they believe that strongly about a war, then they should feel proud to make that personal sacrifice. And, that would end all wars.

I could not agree more. The way we treat our soldiers is obscene. From cardboard on jeeps, bullet-proof vests from home, and the horrendous Veterans Administration snafu, our last several administrations have chewed them up and spat them out. To me, the only answer is to return the power to the people by forcing referendums (that is everybody votes) on going to war.

reply to post by DiscreteParticle

I could not agree more. The way we treat our soldiers is obscene. From cardboard on jeeps, bullet-proof vests from home, and the horrendous Veterans Administration snafu, our last several administrations have chewed them up and spat them out. To me, the only answer is to return the power to the people by forcing referendums (that is everybody votes) on going to war.

Quite right. Though my point was that it is WAY to easy for TPTB to say, "Send 500 troops over there." "That country needs 10,000 of our soldiers." "We will slam them with half a million of our soldiers."

Those soldiers are PEOPLE!

If TPTB find it necessary to send PEOPLE to die, then they damn well better believe there is no other way. And, the only way for them to prove this is to sacrifice something of themselves. Otherwise, TPTB wouldn't do it.

reply to post by thunder2u

what do or can we do now?

There needs to be a cultural shift and a critical examination of our ideologies, which we sometimes do not allow out of fear. For instance, anyone who criticizes an ideology, ie. capitalism, is deemed the enemy, a communist, a socialist and so forth, but there needs to be an allowance of this discussion that may tremble the very foundations of our ideologies and the institutions that seek to see them realized. They are under our power.

To shift current thought, and to avoid risking something evil in the void left over after revolution, there needs to be a gradual change in culture through subversion in politics, art, and intellectualism, to at least allow for this much needed criticism to reach the masses so that they may see both the pros and cons of the system they perpetuate.

The entire people, and not just a proletariat fragment of it, must be engaged in seeking not an ideal utopia (which striving for always brings atrocities) but a better system than the one already in place.

I think we have to start from scratch and vet every new candidate and ask them on the record:

1. Do you support the 28th Amendment to overturn the decision that corporations are people(Citizens United v FEC)?
2. (For state level candidates) Do you support recall by vote of U.S. senators and representatives?
3. Do you support term limits?
4. Do you support the Presidential candidates present proof of citizenship?
5. Do you support a flat tax?
6. Do you support limitation of Executive Order?
7. Do you support reform of the electoral college and measures to prevent vote fraud?
8. Do you support military actions longer than 60 days require referendum by popular vote of the people?
9. Do you support the elimination of Homeland Security?
10. Do you support repeal of the NDAA?
11. Do you support a housecleaning of military, intelligence and governmental agencies with stricter oversight?
12. Do you support a ban on tacking unrelated sections onto bills?
13. Do you support bailouts over a certain amount be only done by popular referendum?
14. Do you support an audit and possible decommissioning of the Federal Reserve?

And that's just for starters. Maybe we should chip in for our own lobbyist since that's what the fat cats do. We would get more for our money than we do with taxes!

reply to post by thunder2u


Nice post for first time and I am as bewildered as you are Thunder (and thank you for your service), though I am not a vet. You're right violence is not the answer, but then are there enough of us people out there who have a shred of sanity left about freedom. Wish I knew the answer to that one.

reply to post by thunder2u


No Problem, Thunder

I want to contribute any way I can for the better of our existence. And thank you for being honest about how you feel in this particular situation. Honesty, at the moment, is kind of hard to come by these days. There IS a great chance that all of us WILL unite as one and see EVERYTHING for what they truly are.

Perhaps, many people will see this thread, plus others like it as well, and take it into consideration, to come to a final solution to REALLY fix our world. We must be extremely careful of our wordings, to get the message out properly and effectively. Make sure we say exactly what we are trying say the right way. Help people understand the situation. We MUST start now. Make pamphlets, handouts, signs, with the correct information, with the correct evidence to support it. Gather up everyone in the streets. Let our message of TRUTH be heard across the world. We MUST not stand down this time.

Our timing must be perfect.

Originally posted by D3AD537
reply to post by thunder2u

 

No Problem, Thunder

I want to contribute any way I can for the better of our existence. And thank you for being honest about how you feel in this particular situation. Honesty, at the moment, is kind of hard to come by these days. There IS a great chance that all of us WILL unite as one and see EVERYTHING for what they truly are.

Perhaps, many people will see this thread, plus others like it as well, and take it into consideration, to come to a final solution to REALLY fix our world. We must be extremely careful of our wordings, to get the message out properly and effectively. Make sure we say exactly what we are trying say the right way. Help people understand the situation. We MUST start now. Make pamphlets, handouts, signs, with the correct information, with the correct evidence to support it. Gather up everyone in the streets. Let our message of TRUTH be heard across the world. We MUST not stand down this time.

Our timing must be perfect.

The big problem is to agree on what direction we want our country to go. People have different ideas. Some people like big government, others a tiny one.. Others would not support any platform that didn't have an anti-abortion stand. I just wonder if we could ever agree. That is our big weakness - there are SO MANY of us with so many different ideas.
But government is like art, at least we know what we don't like!

Originally posted by D3AD537
I'm sure raising more awareness to everyone is the answer. Though it may be hard for some to cope with the truth. People are just going have to bite the bullet to realize and accept that our local, state, federal, foreign governments and politicians do not have the best interest for our well being; That we can just simply walk away from it all.

Everyone and I mean EVERYONE just needs to start by NOT using banks and/or money, NOT using their automobiles, STOP buying at food stores owned by TPTB, START living and being self-sufficient, STOP working for what "TPTB" desire, STOP working for the army, or for the M.Ps, STOP listening/watching mindless programs, actually gain some real knowledge. We do not need (keyword "need") any of what "they" offer any longer. People throughout history have made it own their own. SO WILL WE

What will be left for "them" to control when "they" no longer have people fighting "their" wars that "they" cause?? What will be left for "them" to control when we do not use "their" currency?? What will be left for them to control when we do not use anything "they" try and provide us any longer?? Who will be left for them?? THEMSELVES. Let them fight their own battles. It's time they kill each other off. It's time we rid the world of this negative energy.

SIMPLY WALK AWAY. WE THE PEOPLE, OF THE WORLD, ARE MORE POWERFUL AND STRONGER, THAN THE FEW WHO TRY AND CONTROL US. WE THE PEOPLE, OF THE WORLD, ARE DOING THE WORK FOR THEM. WE THE PEOPLE, REALLY MAKE THINGS WORK. AND, WE WILL NOT BE STEPPED ON OR BE TAKEN FOR GRANTED ANY LONGER. IT WILL WORK WHEN WE STAND TOGETHER AND BELIEVE NOT ONLY IN OURSELVES, BUT ONE ANOTHER AS WELL.

RAISE AWARENESS.
IT IS TIME FOR EVERYONE TO WAKE UP AND SEE THE TRUTH FOR THEMSELVES.

No longer do we need to argue any more. That is a waste of time as of now. No longer must we fight each other. No longer do we need them to tell us how to live our lives. WE ARE MANY THEY ARE FEW. WE STILL HAVE A CHANCE. IT ALL DEPENDS ON US..ITS ALL UP TO US

This. Bravo, D3AD537, and thank you.

We really do have all the power. The PTB know it, but we don't. But we must stop allowing ourselves to be divided and pitted against each other. We must stop fighting and hating each other, and unite for our common good against the PTB. We must reject the left right paradigm forced on us, and realize we have NO FRIENDS in Washington. It's us against them. We need to talk to each other and with each other, not talk at each other or about each other or down to each other. Respect everyone's right to do as they will as long as they harm no one. We must also refuse to play their game. Stop flying and letting the TSA abuse us and our grandparents and our children. Instead of a vacation, take a local "staycation." Stop financing the terrorists; drive as little as possible, walk, bike, use public transportation, etc. Refuse to feed the beast. Stop doing business with the big banksters that are stealing us blind, and move your banking to credit unions or small locally owned banks. Pay off debts and cancel credit cards, and otherwise refuse to live as a debt slave. Spend your dollars where and how it will benefit the local community most -- not the corporations sending jobs overseas to slave labors, draining our coffers thru corporate welfare, polluting our air and water and land with impunity. Buy lottery tickets at local shops, who will get a nice payout for winning tickets, and the money will be kept in the community. Buy big ticket items used, such as home appliances and even cars, and pay cash. Repair, recycle and re-use whenever possible. Barter with goods or services. Shop local farmers markets. Better yet, grow your own produce with heirloom seeds and help preserve our food supply from Monsanto's frankenseeds. Seek out natural herbal and nutritional health remedies, and tell Big Pharma you don't want their poison pills. Become as self-sufficient as possible.

We do desperately need a revolution, but I will not be part of an armed revolution, and I pray cooler heads prevail. I do not trust anyone enough to give them that kind of support. Nor is there any need to do so. We can find inspiration in the Velvet Revolution in Czechoslovakia, and the Orange Revolution in the Ukraine, both non-violent revolutions. There are other methods, civil disobedience, sit-ins, protests, national strikes. When our collective goals are truly for the greatest good for ALL, we will be an overwhelming majority. We are both our own greatest hope and our own greatest enemy.

reply to post by jiggerj


I agree totally with you! and they do just consider us numbers, maybe before they approve 50,000 or more of our children into a battlefield, they need to go I there first, wave a big us flag, and see how they are welcomed..

Thanks for posting squeeler, very good response! I guess that is the hardest part of all,, the waiting game. and I certainly hope that "we the people" will react positively, one can only pray...

reply to post by DiscreteParticle


I support that also, everyone needs to vote on when we go to war. it not only affects our economy, but also our lives. families are ripped apart, soldiers return broken, and in a needy state. the government then restricts the amount of va benefits and increases the amount of red tape it takes to get help. thanks for posting!!

reply to post by NiNjABackflip


Great post!! and I couldn't agree more! I know it is going to be a long haul to take effect any positive change. and I for one am prepared to do that. there is a lot of people ready to change, just knowing or waiting for the proper steps to materialize, and show the way. I think a lot of the people are starting to awake, at least I hope they are! and we do need to talk amongst our peers. and educate each other, so we will be strong when the time comes.

reply to post by DiscreteParticle


I really like that list!!, and can only wish that we had our own solicitor.. maybe there is an idea! of course, we should not need one, that's what the politicians are supposed to be doing..

reply to post by 1loserel2


thank you, and thank for your post. I certainly do hope that there are sane people out there when the time comes!! hopefully I will be one of them!!

Originally posted by D3AD537
reply to post by thunder2u

 

No Problem, Thunder

I want to contribute any way I can for the better of our existence. And thank you for being honest about how you feel in this particular situation. Honesty, at the moment, is kind of hard to come by these days. There IS a great chance that all of us WILL unite as one and see EVERYTHING for what they truly are.

Perhaps, many people will see this thread, plus others like it as well, and take it into consideration, to come to a final solution to REALLY fix our world. We must be extremely careful of our wordings, to get the message out properly and effectively. Make sure we say exactly what we are trying say the right way. Help people understand the situation. We MUST start now. Make pamphlets, handouts, signs, with the correct information, with the correct evidence to support it. Gather up everyone in the streets. Let our message of TRUTH be heard across the world. We MUST not stand down this time.

Our timing must be perfect.

I agree wholly and think that educating the peple, will be a great start! timing is everything!

reply to post by Boadicea


so vey true, and spoken like a true scholar! thanks for your post,, I agree with everything you say!!

Originally posted by DiscreteParticle

Originally posted by D3AD537
reply to post by thunder2u

 

No Problem, Thunder

I want to contribute any way I can for the better of our existence. And thank you for being honest about how you feel in this particular situation. Honesty, at the moment, is kind of hard to come by these days. There IS a great chance that all of us WILL unite as one and see EVERYTHING for what they truly are.

Perhaps, many people will see this thread, plus others like it as well, and take it into consideration, to come to a final solution to REALLY fix our world. We must be extremely careful of our wordings, to get the message out properly and effectively. Make sure we say exactly what we are trying say the right way. Help people understand the situation. We MUST start now. Make pamphlets, handouts, signs, with the correct information, with the correct evidence to support it. Gather up everyone in the streets. Let our message of TRUTH be heard across the world. We MUST not stand down this time.

Our timing must be perfect.

The big problem is to agree on what direction we want our country to go. People have different ideas. Some people like big government, others a tiny one.. Others would not support any platform that didn't have an anti-abortion stand. I just wonder if we could ever agree. That is our big weakness - there are SO MANY of us with so many different ideas.
But government is like art, at least we know what we don't like!

You are right. And I am very sure everyone, not just in our country (assuming, you are from the U.S.A) that THE PEOPLE of the world do not have any problems with anyone (unless they have been mind-washed to believe so). WE on this community must raise awareness every second we can. People over time will see the TRUTH. And they will. Taking small steps now, will become a big step towards the same ideas and goals for a better future of not only ourselves as humans but, for the earth as a whole.

For example: How does anyone think we have the knowledge we have now, pertaining to this situation?? There are/have been people for many, many years trying to wake up the world to this information. Now look where it has led us - Many people are now waking up to the truth, that we have been lied to, that everything in our life has been controlled our whole lives without us knowing. People are becoming more susceptible to this information. As long as we continue to raise awareness, there IS no stopping us from making everything better for ourselves and our earth. The "bad" people can not "simply" control everything we are capable of doing.

Everyone on this planet wants peace. Why fight each other? It's simple to answer: CONTROL.POWER. Most of the ones in control and who have power ARE socio/psychopaths.

Perhaps, we let the bad people try and control one another elsewhere on this earth or, off it, and let them see how that will work out for them. The rest of us will watch in awe as they reluctantly waste their lives over nothing.


The reason why no one can agree right now is simply because DIVIDE and CONQUER has been played on us, the people. It's time to reverse that role. It became so bad that it is in our own homes, work, school, all the way down to what we believe in spiritually and religiously, even here in this community as well. Everyone is tired of it. Let us start fixing this. NOW.

The reason why no one can agree right now is simply because DIVIDE and CONQUER has been played on us, the people. It's time to reverse that role. It became so bad that it is in our own homes, work, school, all the way down to what we believe in spiritually and religiously, even here in this community as well. Everyone is tired of it. Let us start fixing this. NOW.


I agree!! it is so sad to come on here and see all of the flaming, usually off topic. thankfully not here yet!

Hmm so question would be how will we get the message out properly and effectively. Without running in office or destroying anything and everything haha. Marching and protesting would probably only cause more devastation. All it would take is for one crazy fool to start something that could've been prevented. (It kinda reminds of that movie V for Vendetta) Everyone will have to understand the magnitude of the problems and stand together as one.

I've had some ideas but I usually end up thinking It'll backfire 'cause of one crazy nut out there who uses anger to solve problems

We must begin formulating a plan NOW. Intensity increases daily through more pointless wars, disease, poverty, the economic status of the world..The longer we wait..The less of a chance we will not be able to do anything