State Pushes To Keep Trayvon Martins Past Out of Zimmerman Trial

If Z gets off, there will be riots unlike anything we’ve seen before. It’ll make the Rodney king ordeal look like a walk in the park. Scary stuff….

I'll be glad when the trial starts and we can hear what evidence there is [circumstantial/witness reports] and what both the Prosecution and the Defense present to the jury.

There is not one MSM that will report honest unbiased news, especially where this case is concerned.

If the Prosecution starts to dig into Zimmerman's past trying to discredit his character, that will leave the door wide open for the Defense.
Which they will in turn do the same towards TM....they will have that right.

We will just have to wait and see what comes out at the trial instead of speculating and assuming.

I just hope the jury is not forced to find a guilty verdict due to the threats of violence that could occur by a certain group of people if an Innocent verdict is reached.

The Media has turned this into a race issue when it has nothing to do with skin color but that of 2 guys that BOTH made a bad decision one fateful night.

I feel for both families involved.....

Originally posted by FlyersFan

Originally posted by IvanAstikov
is there actually evidence that he helped anyone on a regular basis in such a manner? If the information is readily available, can you point me towards it, please?

It was on the TV news that he tutored city kids on weekends.
I'll have to hunt around and see if there is anything online ....

You mean the same TV news that created all the fake outrage over this dubious justifiable kill in the first place? I thought those msm news outlets weren't to be trusted when it comes to reporting the truth on this case?

Originally posted by snarky412
I feel for both families involved.....

Equally? Wow, you're such a fair-minded and balanced person. Me, I feel more for the family who will never see their not-yet-adult son again, than I do for the family that didn't seem to have much to do with their adult son who is still living.

Originally posted by IvanAstikov
I feel more for the family who will never see their not-yet-adult son again, than I do for the family that didn't seem to have much to do with their adult son who is still living.

... and you base your bias on what the MSM spin has been. Right?
So what happens if it turns out that this Martin fella was a thug and
Zimmerman killed him in self defense? Will you still feel sorry for
the Martins and not care about the Zimmermans?

reply to post by FlyersFan

Originally posted by FlyersFan
Please post the evidence that shows he's a racist.
And not the doctored MSNBC and CBS tapes.

I have no knowledge or control over data involving this case being manipulated (doctoring as you call it) prior its dissemination. I suppose we could get the reports from the courts or police and bypass the media, but I have no interest beyond discussing my opinion here - which I admit is not always correct. I interact for my pleasure here and I have no stake in this case beyond talk.

You have been demanding links and proof from several users, I question your intentions. I get the feeling you already know all the talking points and where the information was obtained. I'm not so sure I agree with your method of attack. Perhaps you should share the proof of the MSM you mention has been doctored.

Zims history regarding attitude, behavior and comments towards African Americans. His assumption that because of Martin's profile (being a black man) that he must automatically be up to no good. The 911 transcripts and LE reports make it clear as day.

Originally posted by GermanShep
Getting the back of your head smashed into a sidewalk is not really much diff than smashing someones head in with a brick. Try that on a police officer and see what he does. Yes he will fire.

Zim is not nor ever has been anything resembling a Law Enforcement Officer, so what a LEO would or could do is irrelevant to this event. Citizens have no right to pursue and fire guns towards persons regardless if they witnessed said persons commit an actual crime. In fact there are plenty of store clerks who've been prosecuted for harming shoplifters and attempted robbers trying to flee the scene in many other states such as mine (WA).

In this case there was no crime until zimboy molested Martin by intercepting his return from purchasing refreshments from the local store - a normal legal act in the U.S.

Also, I question zims story in regards to his injury's and when in the timeline of events they actually occurred. Considering one had just realized they killed someone, it wouldn't be too far fetched to smash oneself up against the nearest brick wall or sidewalk in order to give oneself a better alibi.

I know that if I found myself in such a circumstance I wouldn't hesitate to risk permanent scaring or even take my own eye out if it meant not spending years in prison. Just a thought - not saying it's what happened.

Originally posted by verylowfrequency
His history of attitude, behavior and comments towards African Americans.

Would you provide a link to information so you can share some of these alleged historical statements? NOT the altered tapes by CNN and CBS etc ... but the full texts that show how he allegedly has had a history of 'attitude, behavior and comments' towards African Americans? thank you.

Originally posted by verylowfrequency
His assumption that because of Martin's profile (being a black man) that he must automatically be up to no good.

That's rather simplistic. It was more than that. A neighborhood with many break ins; an unknown rather large 17 year old out of place; and yes, dressed like those who break in to places dress. And Zimmerman was on neighborhood watch so it was his job to look for people who were 'out of place'.

If I was on neighborhood watch here in my neighborhood, which has LOTS of breakins and has a high crime rate, and I saw someone that age out of place and dressed in a way that they looked like they were hiding themselves from sight, I'd call it in to dispatch as well. I would NOT follow the person like ZImmerman did .. I think that was DUMB ... but I'd definately notice and call it in. (and no .. we are not a lilly white neighborhood ... people here are white, black, Indian (from India), hispanic, and everything inbetween ... )

When those 'breaking in' in our neighborhood are caught ... it's usually 16-25 year old males ... black, white, hispanic, Indian ... but that's the age group and gender.

Originally posted by FlyersFan

Originally posted by IvanAstikov
I feel more for the family who will never see their not-yet-adult son again, than I do for the family that didn't seem to have much to do with their adult son who is still living.

... and you base your bias on what the MSM spin has been. Right?

Wrong. Regardless of any MSM spin, unlike the vast majority of similar cases, significant parts of this one were recorded for posterity and these recordings suggest we have a frustrated wannabe cop making a series of errors which led to the death of a teenager.

Originally posted by FlyersFan
So what happens if it turns out that this Martin fella was a thug and
Zimmerman killed him in self defense?

Will you still feel sorry for
the Martins and not care about the Zimmermans?

If information was presented during the trial that convinced me this was the case, I'd be very sympathetic towards them.

Originally posted by IvanAstikov
Wrong. Regardless of any MSM spin, unlike the vast majority of similar cases, significant parts of this one were recorded for posterity and these recordings suggest we have a frustrated wannabe cop making a series of errors which led to the death of a teenager.

Again .. where did you get the information that lead to your conclusion?
Answer ... the main stream media. It's the only place any information is coming from.

Most of us have made opinions based on what the MSM has fed us.
It's natural to do so.

Originally posted by FlyersFan

Originally posted by IvanAstikov
Wrong. Regardless of any MSM spin, unlike the vast majority of similar cases, significant parts of this one were recorded for posterity and these recordings suggest we have a frustrated wannabe cop making a series of errors which led to the death of a teenager.

Again .. where did you get the information that lead to your conclusion?
Answer ... the main stream media. It's the only place any information is coming from.

Most of us have made opinions based on what the MSM has fed us.
It's natural to do so.

I suppose it depends on how you consume the diet you are fed. If you gobble it down without much thought, it's obviously going to result in a different experience than if you digest it slowly and considerately.

Originally posted by FlyersFan

That's rather simplistic. It was more than that. A neighborhood with many break ins; an unknown rather large 17 year old out of place; and yes, dressed like those who break in to places dress. And Zimmerman was on neighborhood watch so it was his job to look for people who were 'out of place'.

If I was on neighborhood watch here in my neighborhood, which has LOTS of breakins and has a high crime rate, and I saw someone that age out of place and dressed in a way that they looked like they were hiding themselves from sight, I'd call it in to dispatch as well.

You might be right as far as he fit the profile, but again even your comments are borderline racist. Meaning that though you may be technically correct, that is that black men who dress in that manner in that area have historically been responsible for break ins. Maybe I'm wrong, but I think that's how it gets interpreted.

reply to post by buster2010


witnrsses saw zimmerman on ground with thee deceased on top beating him if i was on ground getting beaten and in fear of my life i might have emptied my gun into assailant zimmerman showed restraint he fired once. he was released because it was self defense. the only reaon this went to trial was because celebrities spoke out and blamed it on racism.

Originally posted by Slugworth
reply to post by shepseskaf

 

You are looking at something as complicated as DNA forensics and assuming that its meaning is obvious to us laypeople. A wacky half-credible defense attorney is not qualified to interpret the report. Neither am I, and neither are you.

Taken as a whole, your response is patently ridiculous. No, I'm not an expert in DNA investigation, but I do possess a modicum of common sense.

Your attempt to portray the writer of the article that I provided as a "wacky half-credible defense attorney" follows a familiar tactic which attempts to attack an individual rather than the evidence they present.

It is clear from the evidence gleaned by the Medical Examiner that there was NOT a wholesale commingling of DNA found on Trayvon's body. Evidence of gz's DNA only appeared in a discrete, limited number of places on the murder victim's body.

Now, put your common sense cap on. If there had been a violent struggle, in which Martin was aggressively attacking gz as he lay on the ground and "pounding his head on the ground", that would necessitate a high degree of bodily contact between the two. In short, if gz's story is correct than there would obviously be large cross-sections of DNA evidence on both individuals. It would be impossible to hide.

If two people are locked in a "life and death" struggle, such that one felt so threatened that he "had" to kill the other in order to survive, the DNA roadmap would be clear. If you tested two wrestlers who had just partaken in an intense match, the exchange of DNA would be widespread, not isolated to specific areas. Basically, evidence of gz would have been all over Trayvon, from his hoodie to his trousers and to any exposed body parts.

This evidence would have have remained on Trayvon's body, because its not like he would have been able to wash his hands or shower after his encounter with gz. Dead people generally don't have the ability to do that.

It needs to be stated over and over again that gz is a proven, prolific, inveterate liar. Even being placed under oath did not stifle this proclivity. His pitiful, made-up story will prove to be the same.

Once the prosecution can prove that gz's version of the events on that evening could not possibly be true, everything will start to unravel for him. His lawyer will do his best to murder Trayvon's character by raising the specter of the 'angry black male' at every opportunity, but it won't be enough.

Georgy Porgy should have simply stayed in his vehicle. By ignoring the diktats of the "neighborhood watch" organization that he was supposed to be a part of, and the police dispatcher, gz initiated a series of events that ended in cold-blooded murder. For that, he deserves to be locked away from the rest of society as a dangerous degenerate.

Originally posted by verylowfrequency
You have been demanding links and proof from several users, I question your intentions.

It's very simple ...
A poster says that Zimmerman has a history of violence and/or racist remarks.
The poster doesnt' give any information about it .. but just posts that claim.
It is up to that poster to provide proof of the statement, otherwise, it's just a claim.

My intent ... TO GET THE FACTS whatever direction they take.

Originally posted by verylowfrequency
even your comments are borderline racist. Meaning that though you may be technically correct, that is that black men who dress in that manner in that area have historically been responsible for break ins.

Um .. no. I said very clearly .. we have white people, black people, Indian (from india) people, hispanic people and all sorts of people living in our neighborhood. It has a high crime rate (so high that we are thinking about moving). When people get caught breaking in, it's usually 16-25 year old males doing the break in. How on earth is that racist?

If anyone looks out of place in our neighborhood, I'd call the police. Doesn't matter if they are black, white, or purple with orange polkadots. Out of place is out of place .. no matter what 'color' skin a person has.

Lets put the idiocy of racism aside. Lets get the complete 100% facts! Make a decision from there.

reply to post by shepseskaf

Taken as a whole, your response is patently ridiculous. No, I'm not an expert in DNA investigation, but I do possess a modicum of common sense. Your attempt to portray the writer of the article that I provided as a "wacky half-credible defense attorney" follows a familiar tactic which attempts to attack an individual rather than the evidence they present.

The article that I linked was written by an expert in the field, and the article that you linked was not. When discussing something scientific, like DNA analysis, I am more inclined to listen to a scientist who works and studies in that field than a lawyer with a questionable reputation.

Questioning the credentials of a person who is claiming authority on a subject is not the same as personally attacking them. When his credentials are held up next to the scientist he lacks credibility. The scientist said that even he is not qualified to make an assessment of the facts based only on the publicly released information, and that we'll have to wait for the trial to get the whole story.

So we have a lawyer with no professional experience writing or interpreting DNA results who claims to know what happened, and a scientist who specialises in writing and interpreting DNA results cautioning us against viewing any such interpretation, including his own, as wholly indicative of the facts. I'm inclined to hold to the opinion of the scientist and much higher than that of the lawyer, and especially so given that he leaves room for doubt in his interpretation while the lawyer claims authority without room for doubt.

The DNA report says that Zimmerman's DNA was not present unter Martin's fingernails. It does not mention any other part of his hands.

Georgy Porgy should have simply stayed in his vehicle.

I agree, but that lack of good judgement does not in itself make him guilty of a crime. I don't know if he's innocent or guilty, but you are certain of his guilt. You would make a very poor juror.

Originally posted by proteus33
reply to post by buster2010

 

witnrsses saw zimmerman on ground with thee deceased on top beating him if i was on ground getting beaten and in fear of my life i might have emptied my gun into assailant zimmerman showed restraint he fired once. he was released because it was self defense. the only reaon this went to trial was because celebrities spoke out and blamed it on racism.

Interesting that you should mention his "restraint." For someone on the receiving end of a life and death situation kind of beating, he seemed to be remarkably composed at the crucial moment and ignored all the training manuals that says once you draw your firearm, you shoot until they drop. Maybe that changes if you know your firearm is only an inch away from your attacker's heart? Still, I've heard of far less restraint shown by trained leo's under less traumatic situations, so I suppose Z should be commended for not blasting away and causing even greater damage to TM's dead body.

Originally posted by IvanAstikov

Originally posted by snarky412
I feel for both families involved.....

Equally? Wow, you're such a fair-minded and balanced person. Me, I feel more for the family who will never see their not-yet-adult son again, than I do for the family that didn't seem to have much to do with their adult son who is still living.

My, my, aren't we open-minded and nonjudgmental for some one who doesn't know all the facts surrounding the case.

So if you were picked as a juror, I take it you would have your decision made before the facts were known??
Nice to know......

Both sides were at fault, no doubt about that, but if you want to get picky, the 'rumors' are TM slammed Zimmerman MMA style. Many would see that as self-defense excuse.....

I'm on the fence on this one until I hear ALL the facts not just hearsay......
And yes, both families are hurting in different ways.
Sorry if you don't or won't understand that.