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Originally posted by ManFromEurope
"Super intelligent kids"? I beg to differ.
"We would do the same if we would be in their shoes"? I really, really beg to differ.
The first one is open to discussion, as "super" is ill-defined.
The second one - no. Just no. If you think so, you should think about the reasons WHY you could imagine killing innocents.
Originally posted by jacygirl
reply to post by raj10463
Hi raj....I get what you are saying.
There are reasons behind peoples' behaviour. Multitudes of reasons....
But most people don't care to understand the reasons...they only care to judge the behaviour.
I could write a huge post with examples...my own personal reasoning and examples...but it won't matter to most.
I just wanted you to know that someone besides you gets it.
Thank you for being a conscious being.
Originally posted by raj10463
This being said we should have a different out look on people being judged either for a capitol offense or some other reason. We should understand that more often than not a person who commits acts we deem malicious as a society is ill or not in their correct brain balance.
Knowing this should make "victims" of tragic events or acts aware that the problem is not the "ak-47 toting teen" but what drives that teen to massacre people. The real problem is that we have a crisis in this country. We have super intelligent kids growing up in a vile and cruel world, a world without much of a future. They have been raised to be honorable when honor seems dead.
They are gentle folk whose lives have been nothing but fear and pain. These are societies enemies, the terrorist and criminals and rapists and murderers. They started out like the rest of us and somewhere along the way they got dealt a bad hand. Most of us would commit the same actions if we were in their shoes and their minds. Lets relearn to forgive and try to understand.
edit on 14-5-2013 by raj10463 because: (no reason given)
Originally posted by inverslyproportional
reply to post by jacygirl
I would think it obvious that your perspective is wrong, I was taught cruelty and dispair, I dispense neither in life.
(That YOU are aware of).
Children are not solely the result of their experiences, this is a known fact, which is why people from good homes do bad things, and people from bad homes do good things.
(How can YOU be so sure they come from good homes...cuz the parents said so?)
It is all on an individual, every single time, in every single situation.
(And the limited options available at any given time).
Save the exception I already mentioned, of the few that are truly just not right.
By your logic hitler should have been set on a pedastal to be understood, not vilified for his evil deeds.
(My relatives were bombed/murdered by Hitler...in England...still want to understand WHY he was what he was though).
You should read on criminal psychology, and talk to a few psychologists, the individual always has a choice, and it boils down to making the right or wrong ones.
(YOU don't know what I've read/studied or spoken to. Choices are often limited for people).
A young man growing up in the ghetto around gang bangers and drug dealing murderers isn't any more likely to be a killer because of this, they make the choice to become that person.
(Again...choices are limited...I seriously don't believe that poor ghetto children WANT to perpetuate the nightmare they were born into).
They don't have to sell drugs, they decide to do so.
They don't have to kill rival gang members, they decide to pick up the gun, they decide to point it, they decide to squeeze the trigger.
(For some gang members, it's kill or be killed).
At any time they could have gotten a job instead of selling drugs, they could have used the money from the job to move away from the gang environment they are in. They wouldn't even have the opportunity to shoot said rival gang member if they chose to leave the environment.
(Yeah, cuz jobs are SO easy to get).
You do see these were all several bad choices they made resulting in them becoming a killer right?
(Bad choices. When you are drowning and someone throws you a rope...you don't always look to see what is attached to the other end).
I have shown easily how they could have made choices that would not have led to them being on death row for murder.
(And I have shown YOU that I disagree).
They chose to do the opposite, they deserve their punishment for it.
Originally posted by inverslyproportional