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Originally posted by FyreByrd
Your title, quote and comment are misleading.
The 'Senators' are maybe State Senators for the State of New Jersey. You don't say what they want to 'confiscate' - I thought maybe it was 'bank balances' when I saw the headline. And you do nothing to dispell the possible mis-understanding in your comment.
Thanks to my teachers for teaching me to check sources - mine and others.
Second Amendment rights advocates are fuming today over words from three Democratic state senators caught on tape after Thursday's hearing on the upper chamber's gun control package.
The three female senators, who sound from the recording to be Sen. Loretta Weinberg, Sen. Sandy Cunningham and Sen. Linda Greenstein, are heard discussing the just-closed hearing.
They go on to talk about how the purpose of confiscation is to "get the guns away from bad guys."
Originally posted by CIAGypsy
www.politickernj.com...
The three female senators, who sound from the recording to be Sen. Loretta Weinberg, Sen. Sandy Cunningham and Sen. Linda Greenstein, are heard discussing the just-closed hearing.
“We needed a bill that was going to confiscate, confiscate, confiscate," said an unknown voice.
Of course, since there has been an uproar, none of the individuals involved are admitting they are the one who said it....
They go on to talk about how the purpose of confiscation is to "get the guns away from bad guys." I'll let it stay open to interpretation on who the "bad guys" really are in their opinions.... In my experience, CRIMINALS who use guns typically use stolen weapons to begin with....
Originally posted by InverseLookingGlass
reply to post by Carreau
You have an interesting belief that Fascism is on the left side of the political spectrum. Fascist propaganda usually focuses on the evils of communism but I guess that's obsolete now. Fascists now just rename communism and socialism as fascism as a diversion tactic and ignoramuses are eating it up. Your lethal toy collection isn't protecting you, now what?
"the more a person deems absolute equality among all people to be a desirable condition, the further left he or she will be on the ideological spectrum. The more a person considers inequality to be unavoidable or even desirable, the further to the right he or she will be."
-Roderick Stackleberg
In my experience, CRIMINALS who use guns typically use stolen weapons to begin with....
Originally posted by CIAGypsy
www.politickernj.com...
The three female senators, who sound from the recording to be Sen. Loretta Weinberg, Sen. Sandy Cunningham and Sen. Linda Greenstein, are heard discussing the just-closed hearing.
“We needed a bill that was going to confiscate, confiscate, confiscate," said an unknown voice.
Of course, since there has been an uproar, none of the individuals involved are admitting they are the one who said it....
They go on to talk about how the purpose of confiscation is to "get the guns away from bad guys." I'll let it stay open to interpretation on who the "bad guys" really are in their opinions.... In my experience, CRIMINALS who use guns typically use stolen weapons to begin with....
Originally posted by korathin
Fascism, Communism and Socialism are all European constructs, and all those Constructs have the same beginnings. The reason there is "Communism" and that there is "Socialism", is because the early collectivists after the French Revolution didn't really see eye to eye. Yes, Communism, Socialism and to a degree Fascism, where all created to replace an absolute, French Feudal Monarchy. That is why communism and socialism are so utterly insane, because they are trying to replicate a perfected form of insanity.
The whole concept of right-left that your using is so utterly dishonest(unless your a European serf) that it nukes any argument you try to make.
Left-Right, in the American traditional sense(before leftists began immigrating to America and polluting it with French Communist and Socialist stupidity), is the more left you go, the more power the state has. The further right you go, the more power the individual has.
This political view would judge both the Democrat and Republican Party's as leftists. Socially, the Democratic Party is to the left of the Republican Party, and economically the Republican Party is more to the left than the Democratic Party. Politically, both the Republican and Democratic Party are far left extremest, or at the least, the Party's "ruling" element, firmly believes the have an absolute right to "rule", as shown by both the Democrat and Republican Parties sabotage of non anointed groups within those parties(The Democrats allowed Obama to rig the Democratic primaries in 08, and Republican's allowed and encouraged similar behavior from Romney in 12).
Both Political Parties follow the leftist ideal of a select(or special), Proletarian class.
I really wish people would pay attention to the beginnings of things instead of mindlessly giving support to someone else's thoughts. By quoting another person, and making your resting case(or in the case of your post the intellectual core) on theirs thoughts, you are allowing yourself to become enslaved to group think. Even if it doesn't sound as catchy, quote yourself. Develop your own thoughts and break free from the evils of group think.
Perhaps that is why those on the left often despise those on the right, because those on the right have the courage to think their own thoughts, to develop their own minds. And if someone has a "deadly collection of toy's:, that is enough to keep cowards who can't think for themselves from trying to keep them from thinking their own thoughts.
You have an interesting belief that Fascism is on the left side of the political spectrum. Fascist propaganda usually focuses on the evils of communism but I guess that's obsolete now. Fascists now just rename communism and socialism as fascism as a diversion tactic and ignoramuses are eating it up
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Remember that both Marx and Hitler, the extremes of "left" and "right" presented as textbook enemies, evolved out of the same philosophical system: Hegelianism. That brings screams of intellectual anguish from Marxists and Nazis, but is well known to any student of political systems.
In the Hegelian system conflict is essential. Furthermore, for Hegel and systems based on Hegel, the State is absolute. The State requires complete obedience from the individual citizen. An individual does not exist for himself in these so-called organic systems but only to perform a role in the operation of the State...
So who or what is the State? Obviously it's a self-appointed elite. It is interesting that Fichte, who developed these ideas before Hegel, was a freemason, almost certainly Illuminati, and certainly was promoted by the Illuminati. For example, Johann Wolfgang Goethe (Abaris in the Illuminati code) pushed Fichte for an appointment at Jena University.
The Order believes the opposite to most of us. That is crucial to understanding what they are about. So any discussion between left and right, while essential to promote the change, is never allowed to develop into a discussion along the lines of Jeffersonian democracy, i.e., the best government is least government. The discussion and the funding is always towards more state power, use of state power and away from individual rights. So it doesn't matter from the viewpoint of The Order whether it is termed left, right, Democratic, Republican, secular or religious - so long as the discussion is kept within the framework of the State and the power of the State.
We trace the extraordinary Skull and Bones influence in a major Hegelian conflict: Naziism vs. Communism. Skull and Bones members were in the dominant decision-making positions -- Bush, Harriman, Stimson, Lovett, and so on -- all Bonesmen, and instrumental in guiding the conflict through use of "right" and "left." They financed and encouraged the growths of both philosophies and controlled the outcome to a significant extent.
In education, the Dewey system was initiated and promoted by Skull and Bones members. Dewey was an ardent statist, and a believer in the Hegelian idea that the child exists to be trained to serve the State. This requires suppression of individualist tendencies and a careful spoon-feeding of approved knowledge.
This manipulation of "left" and "right" on the domestic front is duplicated in the international field where "left" and "right" political structures are artificially constructed and collapsed in the drive for a one-world synthesis.
You are confusing the democrats as progressives
and economically the Republican Party is more to the left than the Democratic Party
Proggisivism means to go forward which stems from progress. To change the sick status quo as has been for thousands of years.
Just as progressives were generally enthusiastic about socialist movements in the Soviet Union and Europe, they were also overwhelmingly supportive of the fascist movements in Italy and Germany during the 1920s and 1930s. “In many respects,” writes journalist Jonah Goldberg, “the founding fathers of modern liberalism, the men and women who laid the intellectual groundwork of the New Deal and the welfare state, thought that fascism sounded like ... a worthwhile 'experiment'”:
•H. G. Wells, one of the most influential progressives of the 20th century, said in 1932 that progressives must become “liberal fascists” and “enlightened Nazis.” Regarding totalitarianism, he stated: “I have never been able to escape altogether from its relentless logic.” Calling for a “‘Phoenix Rebirth’ of Liberalism” under the umbrella of “Liberal Fascism,” Wells said: “I am asking for a Liberal Fascisti, for enlightened Nazis.”
•FDR adviser Rexford Guy Tugwell said of Italian fascism: “It's the cleanest, neatest, most efficiently operating piece of social machinery I've ever seen. It makes me envious.”
•New Republic editor George Soule, who avidly supported FDR, noted approvingly that the Roosevelt administration was “trying out the economics of fascism.”
•Playwright George Bernard Shaw hailed Stalin, Hitler, and Mussolini as the world’s great “progressive” leaders because they “did things,” unlike the leaders of those “putrefying corpses” called parliamentary democracies.
According to Goldberg, progressives' affinity for fascism was quite understandable because, contrary to popular misconception: “[F]ascism, properly understood, is not a phenomenon of the right at all. Instead, it is, and always has been, a phenomenon of the left.”
To clarify this point, a working definition of fascism is in order. A comprehensive discussion of fascism's tenets and variations can be located here, but for the purpose of this discussion, fascism can be distilled down to this: It is a totalitarian movement that empowers an omnipotent government to control every nook and cranny of political, economic, social, and private life – generally in the name of “the public good.”