Obama says there is no There, There!

Oh.. No... He didn't.



Oh yes... He did. He really said that. What is it with Presidents in crisis? They seem to run back to the craziest things to say and do it with a straight face. My mind instantly went back to this....



Video #1? We have a scandal building with new Whistleblowers rumored to be coming and absolutely new testimony and facts to be recited under Oath and for the perm. Congressional Record on Wednesday of last week.

In the Second Video, we had a scandal that really came down to two consenting adults doing something that was of business only to Hillary, when it's all stripped away. Clinton was tagged for lying about it ..and Americans really hate being lied to. We know we are, daily ...but there is something about it being done outright, bold as brass and right to our faces that just pisses us off.

However... Can't leaders come up with something more clever than...clever plays on words? I don't know if he was even conscious of how that came out or sounded, much less how it probably made mental links with people, well beyond myself for the same thing. I'm guessing this was one of the few moments in his career of public speaking, he didn't have a teleprompter. Oooops... Bad timing.

Err... Perhaps this is one he would have been better off leaving alone for the time being. Then, they never do, do they? Kinda like a kid around a hot stove. They know it's hot. They've been told it won't be pretty...but sure enough, turn your back and they shall confirm it. Yikes!

Good luck, I started and thread on this topic and within 18 minutes was pushed into oblivion off the new topics page.

Here is what I want to say:


Remember: The IRS is part of the executive branch

Remember: The president is head of the executive branch

Remember: The president appoints leaders of the IRS

Remember: A while ago the president stated publically that he wished he could use the IRS exactly this way.

Who is brave enough to look behind the curtain, certainly not our cowardly mainstream press.

"Don't look for tyranny"

while I keep copies of every phone call and email of every american in the entire US,

(Don't believe it? Check it out for yourself, it has now been admitted)

while I openly lie to you on TV shows that don't count as news and saying that I told you the truth days earlier on real news,

while I make sure the financial lives of those who disagree with me are made a living hell
("There is no there, there")

it wasn't me

the head of the IRS is a Democrat and I openly lie that Bush and the RNC were responsible for this IRS official

Pay no attention to the man behind the curtain, he isn't controlling anything.


When O said "don't look for tyranny", top journalists should have thought. "Pay no attention to the man behind the curtain."

Now O is saying "There is no there there" whilst pulling levers making flames at low level IRS agents, and making a smokescreen for the lies O told the American people over Benghazi.

Remember, O kept lying to the American people after he admits to knowing the truth on the View and other programs.

Shame on the mainstream media for perpetuating and burying lies and keeping the myth of the great and powerful O.

I'm an Obama supporter, and I would advise him to stop talking.

No, not because he is wrong or because he is guilty. But because he is a very intelligent person and when he speaks, he speaks very intelligently. However, his audience...the American public, aren't very intelligent and just don't have the ability to comprehend what he is saying.

en.wikipedia.org...

You mean the rant forum thread you posted? (checked your profile).... I was just making sure you hadn't directly been referencing the specific quote here. That looks like it did go quick.

Yeah, things do get rolled off at the most inconvenient times, occasionally. Heck.. I'll never complain though. The best activity on threads seems to come when regulars login to check their 'MyATS' listings anyway. Those have nothing relating to new topics display and if messages are rolling off, it means people are active right?

Here is how you can tell that the whole Benghazi thing is Right Wing political hackery.

Obama gives a whole press conference about Benghazi...Right Wingers "attack" a phrase Obama used that they don't understand or comprehend what it means.


The best line of the press conference was this.

"The whole thing defies logic".

Obama just absolutely crushed the Republicans with this one press conference...because he used logic and facts.

Originally posted by DistantRumor
I'm an Obama supporter, and I would advise him to stop talking.

No, not because he is wrong or because he is guilty. But because he is a very intelligent person and when he speaks, he speaks very intelligently. However, his audience...the American public, aren't very intelligent and just don't have the ability to comprehend what he is saying.

en.wikipedia.org...

You have got to be kidding. You have to be a citizen of Oz, the oblivious, to fall for his twisting of the truth so far it has become bald faced lies.
When Obama said he told the american people the truth on Benghazi on the news shows, it was partially true, but days, not hours, days later, he openly told the silly story of the video causing it on non-news shows. You are right I guess, to believe what he says on non news shows don't count as lies, only what he says on news shows can count as lies.
When Obama publicly said he wished he could use the IRS to hound those who didn't agree with him a few years ago. This has nothing to do with the IRS scandal. We are dumb if we believe his first statement, aren't we?

Oh, well, this thread won't count anyway. Silly posts have pushed this one off the new topics page in less than the time it took to push mine off. Buried, by who? I'm too stupid to figure that out.

reply to post by DistantRumor

Along with a "A rose is a rose is a rose," "there is no there there" is one of Gertrude Stein's most famous and memorable quotes.

/Thread End!

The whole Benghazi is an exaggeration, another grasp at having chance to "impeaching" Obama.

Which will never happen, and in 2016, another person will takeover. Doing the same crap, and the opposite political party will exaggerate the sht out of his actions.

reply to post by Wrabbit2000


You know, as much as I've looked into this (and I admit, it's not as much as others here) I haven't been able to make a judgment on it.

There MAY be "no there, there". This MAY be a completely politicized event from the first time Romney decided to go after Obama for it (the day after it happened). It MAY be that the reasons the talking points were changed is completely "above board", and the reason the right is so focused on it is to prevent a Democratic victory in 2014 and 2016.

On the other hand, it MAY be that there is a cover up (by the CIA or by the administration) that needs to be investigated. It MAY be that Obama was trying to cover his ass for the election and is still trying to diminish the importance of the sequence of events.

Or the truth MAY be somewhere in the middle.

As far as I know, NO ONE here knows what really happened, nor do they know the motivation of the parties involved.

IMO, the truth of Obama's claim that "there's no there, there" is as possible as the truth of the right claiming a massive cover up.

Really strange. I thought there was always a there there. Boy, they sure try to confuse things in government

reply to post by DistantRumor

"The whole thing defies logic".

Obama just absolutely crushed the Republicans with this one press conference...because he used logic and facts.

What defies logic is an individual who would support "their team" over a stupid thing called duality and because of having such a closed mind, and being "AGAINST" finding out the truth!!!!

Bottom line? I want to be told the truth, REGARDLESS of which team did something illegal and morally wrong! Being lied too is something that most people get angry about in their personal lives, but yet when it comes to politics, they turn a blind eye if it involves the political party that they cheer on!

Hmmmmm, I think I know who you are already!

This all depends what is,is not there if you have the superior intellect to grasp this statement.

reply to post by Benevolent Heretic


I think you're absolutely right. We don't know for certain. Investigation is absolutely necessary and if it comes to find nothing is actually at the heart of this thing beyond simple incompetency at an extreme level by middle to upper State Dept managers? Then can them like tuna and move on. ..........Republican, Democrat or little green man in a human suit. I don't care politics on this one, either way, in any way.

I'm sharing this because the whole impact of his turn of phrase is precisely the type of quote an entire scandal can come to be known by and defined with. "The definition of is, is" is just such an example and is still quoted in direct reference to the Lewinsky scandal.

This may very well come to be remembered the same way. As it happens, that quote is leading banner headlines in Major media as we speak....because I'm far from the only one who knew a Political Zinger when they heard it and the type of words to be immortalized .....innocent or not. Ultimately a scandal with legs or not.

Some quotes are ones the person who says them may spend a life time wishing they'd never spoken. Bush's "Bring it on" would be another ...tho not quite in the same tone as this and Clinton? Just as poorly chosen for words, and just as defining to a bad move, as it turned out.

Shame on the mainstream media for perpetuating and burying lies and keeping the myth of the great and powerful O.

I think this might explain why the media act the way they do in regards to this president.

"CBS News President David Rhodes and ABC News President Ben Sherwood, both of them have siblings that not only work at the White House, that not only work for President Obama, but they work at the NSC on foreign policy issues directly related to Benghazi."

LINK

Let's also show you why CNN did not go very far in covering these hearings because the CNN deputy bureau chief, Virginia Moseley, is married to Hillary Clinton’s deputy, Tom Nides. For the record, Ben Sherwood's sister, Dr. Elizabeth Sherwood-Randall, is the Special Assistant to Barack Obama.

Virginia Moseley's husband, Tom Nides, is the Deputy Secretary of State for Management and Resources.

When you have 3 of the largest news media companies in your back pocket it makes life a lot easier. And since NBC as been on obama's side since the beginning I would say its 4 for 4.

reply to post by luciddream


I'm just wondering if the OP will come back and admit he was ignorant of the quote and just ran here to repeat what his favorite Right Wing talking head just said...or if he will try to play it off like he knew all along but thinks Obama used it wrong.

The latter is going to be hard since he has this in his OP

However... Can't leaders come up with something more clever than...clever plays on words? I don't know if he was even conscious of how that came out or sounded, much less how it probably made mental links with people, well beyond myself for the same thing. I'm guessing this was one of the few moments in his career of public speaking, he didn't have a teleprompter. Oooops... Bad timing.

Which clearly shows that the OP just thinks a very famous quote is a "play on words".

reply to post by cavtrooper7


There there Cav... (understanding smile) We just don't get it. It must be a high political office thing and beyond our level of experience to quite grasp.

It is ..umm..hard not to laugh at times, isn't it? They all say really really dumb things.. but..Yeah.. Wow... even in Washington, once in a great while...one stands out above the rest. lol...

reply to post by DistantRumor


I think, OP maybe have just jumped the gun a bit on the quote, but he is one of the most "fair" republicans on republican filled ATS, and i respect that.

If it were someone else, i would have picked at the OP far more!

Originally posted by DistantRumor
.. because he is a very intelligent person and when he speaks, he speaks very intelligently. However, his audience...the American public, aren't very intelligent and just don't have the ability to comprehend what he is saying.

You confident about that?
I'm not so sure.

Case closed, no there there, and if there was a there there we can edit it out and cover it all up, and there isn't a damned thing anyone can do about it.

Get over it America we have more important agendas to deal with here, what you don't know or think you know about this is irrelevant to us... Let me be clear, we dont care.

reply to post by Wrabbit2000


Is Obama the new Simon?

reply to post by slowisfast


His speech is pretty coherent compared to previous POTUS, also it make make sense(as a language).Also there has been better speakers in the past.