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Originally posted by EnochWasRight
reply to post by skonaz
Your reply is leaning on your own understanding. If you choose the test, you will need to lean a different direction. It will be required. I only offer the path forward if you choose to take the challenge. It's your choice.
Originally posted by WhiteHat
reply to post by EnochWasRight
What is seems interesting to me is that god is never in a hurry to answer your prayers, or to help people in the way they need it. Children are dying daily in hospitals, no matter how much faith they have. But hey, when it comes to test you, and break your spine you can count on god for sure. Ever wondered why that is? Ever wondered why you prefer to believe that?
If I can't test god, why do I need him to test me? Better let's just stay friends.
Let's try it this way: I'll ask god for a big gift, whatever he thinks he can offer, not necessarily money, but big enough so I know beyond doubt that I couldn't get on my on. If it comes in 30 days time, I'll be back here screaming for everyone to hear that there is a god.
Deal?
Originally posted by jiggerj
reply to post by EnochWasRight
Sooo, we can't ask for something good from this all-loving god, but we CAN ask him to hit us with a bus and give our loved ones cancer? Yeah, if god has a pointy tail and a pitch fork, then no doubt about it, you've been asking god to test you.
Originally posted by skonaz
Originally posted by EnochWasRight
reply to post by skonaz
Your reply is leaning on your own understanding. If you choose the test, you will need to lean a different direction. It will be required. I only offer the path forward if you choose to take the challenge. It's your choice.
Yes, but can't you see that you are then putting all of the onus on to me to prove your beliefs ?
No matter what were to occur in the test you will take the high morale ground.
If I dont believe after 30 days , it's because I didn't have enough faith.
I did'nt look for the signs hard enough. I didn't believe. I didn't pray. I wasn't like you enough.
Your challenge is basically :
Atheists I can prove God to you.
All you have to do is believe what I believe and boom ! Problem solved.....
Originally posted by skonaz
reply to post by EnochWasRight
This is your challenge. Not God's. Take some responsibility for what you are trying to do here.
If your putting the onus on God isn't that testing him which you said we couldn't do ?
You don't seem willing to have any debate or discussion at all.
As I often find with believers it's all vague and mysterious responses.
I say your challenge is flawed. This is your challenge - explain to me why it is not.
You have not been able to address anyone's concerns with the flaws in your experiment.
Nothing in life can be gained apart from suffering. Taking something that is not earned ends in suffering, just like suffering work leads to reward. Asking God for a test allows opportunity for growth. It also demonstrates an event that could not be associated with happenstance. Are you afraid to try?
Originally posted by jiggerj
reply to post by EnochWasRight
Nothing in life can be gained apart from suffering. Taking something that is not earned ends in suffering, just like suffering work leads to reward. Asking God for a test allows opportunity for growth. It also demonstrates an event that could not be associated with happenstance. Are you afraid to try?
Am I afraid? Hell yeah!!!! I've experienced some HORRID events in my life. Whether a god threw these atrocities at me or not, I wouldn't want anything close to these events happening again. No thank you!edit on 5/11/2013 by jiggerj because: (no reason given)
Originally posted by EnochWasRight
Originally posted by skonaz
reply to post by EnochWasRight
This is your challenge. Not God's. Take some responsibility for what you are trying to do here.
If your putting the onus on God isn't that testing him which you said we couldn't do ?
You don't seem willing to have any debate or discussion at all.
As I often find with believers it's all vague and mysterious responses.
I say your challenge is flawed. This is your challenge - explain to me why it is not.
You have not been able to address anyone's concerns with the flaws in your experiment.
Psalms 139
23 Search me, God, and know my heart;
TEST ME and know my anxious thoughts.
24 See if there is any offensive way in me,
and lead me in the way everlasting.
My challenge is a pathway we can read from many places in the Bible.
Psalm 26
1 Vindicate me, Lord,
for I have led a blameless life;
I have trusted in the Lord
and have not faltered.
2 Test me, Lord, and try me,
examine my heart and my mind;
3 for I have always been mindful of your unfailing love
and have lived in reliance on your faithfulness.
Malachi 3:10 (The thing we can test God on)
10 Bring the whole tithe into the storehouse, that there may be food in my house. Test me in this,” says the Lord Almighty, “and see if I will not throw open the floodgates of heaven and pour out so much blessing that there will not be room enough to store it.
God does give permission to test him when it comes to our giving. Test him all you want. Everything you give will come back again as a flood of blessing.
Originally posted by EnochWasRight
Am I afraid? Hell yeah!!!! I've experienced some HORRID events in my life. Whether a god threw these atrocities at me or not, I wouldn't want anything close to these events happening again. No thank you!edit on 5/11/2013 by jiggerj because: (no reason given)
So you do believe that God will act if asked? Atheists do not believe there is a God that can act.