Nazi Guard Hans Lipschis, 93, Arrested For Wartime Crimes In Auschwitz

So what should we do with the western soldiers who followed evil orders in the middle east the last decade or so?

Should they stand trial in 50 years or so when the world views the old US government the same as we view the Nazis?

If you want to talk about Politics, go to the political forums..

THIS thread is about a Nazi War Criminal

Keep it on topic

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Semper

93 huh?They may want to hurry up with that trial!

Originally posted by semperfortis
If you want to talk about Politics, go to the political forums..

THIS thread is about a Nazi War Criminal

Keep it on topic

You have been advised

Semper

Not clear?

I am smiling ear to ear, to find this news on ATS! It is a matter of extreme importance for these crimes to be investigated, the perpetrators to be found and dealt with. It is, in my opinion, vital that justice is sought in these matters, not just for the victims, for thier families, but for the future. When future historians look back in to that era, and find that all these years later the criminals are still hunted, they will learn the final lesson taught to us by the second world war.

That lesson, of course, is that xenophobia will always lead to misery for its advocates.

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When you think about what god (YHVH or any other spelling you may like... ) did to his chosen people could be that he might not be angry at all about Herr Lipschis's behavior?

And I suppose Hans felt a similar urge to follow his believes as the chosen people did when they genocided some land or some cities that they needed for more comfort - or took some slaves to do the work.

So I think god should stay out of the way of justice.
It's up to HUMANS to do right.

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Yup, honestly at 93 wouldn't it be better to throw him in a nursing home, pretty close to prison anyway.

Wasting all that money to try a guy who will be dead anytime now.

Just beacuse it was nearly 80 years ago, should we forget ??

What happened in the concentration camps was probably the worst attrocity ever commited by man against his fellow man.

As humans beings we should all find the acts commited in the camps intolerable, because the crime was of such magnitude it doesn't deserve to be forgotton, or pardoned.

If we forget it happened, it could happen again, thefore the quest to bring the responsables, of whatever level, to justice should never stop.

It should never stop so we dont forget and act as a warning shot to future generations.

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No you shouldn't forget it. However, you are going to waste money on a trial with a man who will likely be dead soon anyway. If not dead his best years are a ways behind him, not likely he is living the good life at this point.

Originally posted by Covertblack
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No you shouldn't forget it. However, you are going to waste money on a trial with a man who will likely be dead soon anyway. If not dead his best years are a ways behind him, not likely he is living the good life at this point.

It's not wasting money because he represents a literal case of justice denied in thousands of cases across millions of victims. A good % of those evil monsters who did these things during and before the height of the war years ......weren't captured and prosecuted. Far too many came to slip off into historic obscurity in South America or elsewhere. Wherever they found a rock and dark, dank place which was fitting to hide in until age and their own hate claimed them over time.

Here is one to stand in symbolism, in addition to his own personal guilt. His actions helped kill untold innocent men, women and children for the symbols they represented. It's only fitting, his last days be spent in a cell and facing his own fate in much the same way and for much the same reasons. It's just a true shame it was so late in coming to him.

This is one case where 'Better late than never' has never been more accurate though. Almost missed the opportunity, IMO.

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But, there have been atrocities carried out on a large scale both before and since, so why should one atrocity take precedence over others. Should we ignore the atrocities of the Stalinist regime,planned and carried out by Jewish henchmen simply because they are now the designated "victims"?

Quite simply, these things are used as a means to garner sympathy and as a cover for the acts of the one-time victims in the world today. Our own governments in the West are guilty of mass death and crimes against humanity too, just never brought to account for it. We are also quick to throw someone at the ICC for bit of theatrical kangaroo court for the TV's, yet ignore the people behind the accused who facilitated and bankrolled those actions.

In summary, where do we stop, and should not ALL high crimes be punishable in equal measure? I wonder who the Israelis will start waving about when there are no more "Nazis" around?

Originally posted by Covertblack
reply to post by andy1972

 

No you shouldn't forget it. However, you are going to waste money on a trial with a man who will likely be dead soon anyway. If not dead his best years are a ways behind him, not likely he is living the good life at this point.

This is'nt meant to punish him. He's 93. What can you do, hang him. The stress of all this will probably kill him anyway.

No, it's meant to show that Israel doesn't forgive, or pardon and all its enemies wil be persecuted until the end of their days.

It's the principle of it all..

Originally posted by Britguy
But, there have been atrocities carried out on a large scale both before and since, so why should one atrocity take precedence over others. Should we ignore the atrocities of the Stalinist regime,planned and carried out by Jewish henchmen simply because they are now the designated "victims"?

The problem with the victims of the Stalinist regime is they were all "in country", that is to say they were carried out by the regime on its own people..

However the crimes commited by the nazis throught WW2 were carried out all across europe, by an invading army on the captured countries it occupied.

Therefore the crimes commited the nazis across a continent take more importance than a simple genocide by a government on it's own people.

Originally posted by Wrabbit2000

Originally posted by Covertblack
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No you shouldn't forget it. However, you are going to waste money on a trial with a man who will likely be dead soon anyway. If not dead his best years are a ways behind him, not likely he is living the good life at this point.

It's not wasting money because he represents a literal case of justice denied in thousands of cases across millions of victims. A good % of those evil monsters who did these things during and before the height of the war years ......weren't captured and prosecuted. Far too many came to slip off into historic obscurity in South America or elsewhere. Wherever they found a rock and dark, dank place which was fitting to hide in until age and their own hate claimed them over time.

Here is one to stand in symbolism, in addition to his own personal guilt. His actions helped kill untold innocent men, women and children for the symbols they represented. It's only fitting, his last days be spent in a cell and facing his own fate in much the same way and for much the same reasons. It's just a true shame it was so late in coming to him.

This is one case where 'Better late than never' has never been more accurate though. Almost missed the opportunity, IMO.

If you guys feel the need to kill grandpa for symbolism, so be it. He won't in all likely hood make it long in a cell, and his fate is pretty much decided at this point.

93 ? Hopefully he has many more years to live...

Behind bars...

Wearing striped pyjamas.

Originally posted by andy1972

Originally posted by Britguy
But, there have been atrocities carried out on a large scale both before and since, so why should one atrocity take precedence over others. Should we ignore the atrocities of the Stalinist regime,planned and carried out by Jewish henchmen simply because they are now the designated "victims"?

The problem with the victims of the Stalinist regime is they were all "in country", that is to say they were carried out by the regime on its own people..

However the crimes commited by the nazis throught WW2 were carried out all across europe, by an invading army on the captured countries it occupied.

Therefore the crimes commited the nazis across a continent take more importance than a simple genocide by a government on it's own people.

I don't see how geographical location has anything to do with the importance of genocide. A life is a life, whether it be taken by a countrymen or a foreign hand.

Originally posted by Covertblack
If you guys feel the need to kill grandpa for symbolism, so be it. He won't in all likely hood make it long in a cell, and his fate is pretty much decided at this point.

Grandpa, long before he was grandpa, killed and tortured thousands of people and helped them on the way to the gas chamber or helped them die of exhaustion in the labour camps.

He also enjoyed what he did.

He isn't even German, he's from Lithuania...so he VOLUNTEERED to do what he did.

Originally posted by Covertblack
I don't see how geographical location has anything to do with the importance of genocide. A life is a life, whether it be taken by a countrymen or a foreign hand.

Genocide when commited by a government against it own people for whatever reason is bad enough, and yes should be punished by international law.

However when one government invades 20 countries, and in those 20 countries systematicaly commits genocide against certain types of race, colour or faith with the intent to wipe them from the face of the earth, then its a whole other ball game.