New report questions Israel's claim of "divine right"

Originally posted by SimonPeter
Absolutely , God placed the importance on that land . And it is where the Temple must be rebuilt to accommodate the AC trying to claim the throne of God as well as the last battle of Armageddon .

The bible verse that supposedly states this is Daniel 9:

24 Seventy weeks are determined upon thy people and upon thy holy city, to finish the transgression, and to make an end of sins, and to make reconciliation for iniquity, and to bring in everlasting righteousness, and to seal up the vision and prophecy, and to anoint the most Holy.
25 Know therefore and understand, that from the going forth of the commandment to restore and to build Jerusalem unto the Messiah the Prince shall be seven weeks, and threescore and two weeks: the street shall be built again, and the wall, even in troublous times.
26 And after threescore and two weeks shall Messiah be cut off, but not for himself: and the people of the prince that shall come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary; and the end thereof shall be with a flood, and unto the end of the war desolations are determined.
27 And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.

Futurists claim that the last “week” of this is pushed into some fictitious future tribulation period where the antichrist; “shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease”.

In truth this entire section is talking about the “Messiah”, which is clearly identifiable by the preceding verses. What its actually saying is that: Christ shall come for 7 years at the end of the 70 weeks. He will confirm Gods covenant with the Jews that he would send the messiah to them through their blood line. 3 years into his ministry he would be “cut off” by being put to death. This act would overcome sin, and render any animal sacrifice from the temple worthless to God. Why would God still accept animals for forgiveness of sins, when his son was the prefect sacrifice and overcame ALL sin. This is called the “New Covenant”. In the New Testament this fact is shown by the Temple Veil tearing at the time of Christs death on the cross.

Because the Jews refused to accept the “Messiah” or the “New Covenant”, and continued the animal sacrifices in the Temple, God allowed the Romans to destroy the Temple, Jerusalem, and scatter the Jewish people. There is no intent by God mentioned in the bible to allow the Temple to EVER be rebuilt, and as a matter of fact even the ark has disappeared at this point. There is really nothing in this verse talking about the antichrist or a future peace treaty.

This is EXACTLY the misunderstood prophetic interpretation that the article is referring to.

Originally posted by SimonPeter
AC trying to claim the throne of God

Here you are referring to 2 Thessalonians 2:3-4

Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;Who opposes and exalts himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sits in the temple of God, showing himself that he is God.

...And here:
Daniel 7:

23 Thus he said, The fourth beast shall be the fourth kingdom upon earth, which shall be diverse from all kingdoms, and shall devour the whole earth, and shall tread it down, and break it in pieces.

24 And the ten horns out of this kingdom are ten kings that shall arise: and another shall rise after them; and he shall be diverse from the first, and he shall subdue three kings.

25 And he shall speak great words against the most High, and shall wear out the saints of the most High, and think to change times and laws: and they shall be given into his hand until a time and times and the dividing of time.

This has already been fulfilled by the Pontifex Maximus or Holy Pontiff.
If you look at the duties of the Pontifex Maximus you'll see that he:
1)He came out of the beast of “iron” or Rome.
2)Spoke as God (Caesar) or the infallible Vicar of Christ (Pope) on Earth.
3)He was in charge of persecuting heretics, or non Catholic Christians under Jus Divinum.
4)He set the laws (Jus Divinum) and the Calendar (we still use a papal calendar).
5)The 1260 days roughly encompasses the “Dark Ages” from 538 AD until 1798 AD when Louis-Alexandre Berthier (under command of Napoleon) captured pope Pius VI and took him as prisoner to Valence, France where he died in captivity.

So the “throne” that is being talked about here is the seat of the head of the Christian Church, the Papacy.

Originally posted by Astrocyte
My question is: Aren't the Jews "owed" something by the Christian powers (the ancestors todays western countries) and the Muslim powers, who practically enslaved them for hundreds of years? The crimes are too many to enumerate here, but suffice to say, they are in a category similar to blacks in America.

What in the world would ever make you think that?
2000 years ago the Roman Empire removed the Jews from their land, and from my understanding of the Bible, it was done because they refused to follow Gods commands, accept the messiah, or the New Covenant. By contrast the American Indians were treated even worse, by direct ancestors, and this was only 200 years ago. I certainly don't see us making any “reparations” to the American Indians.

Think on why this is...

Originally posted by SimonPeter
That is the Preterits view and I find some fault with that .

No, that is the Historicist view.
This is the view that all the original protestant reformers, and many others, believed.
The most extensive work ever done on the topic of Christian eschatology, The Horae Apocalypticae, supports Historicism.

Just like what you are professing (Futurism), Preterism is also a product of the Jesuit Order of the Roman Catholic Church. The Catholics themselves rejected Futurism in light of Preterism, because of the fact that Preterism is more in line with Historicism. The best lies are ones that contain the most truth, and as they know that Historicism is true, they now accept the school that is most similar while at the same time hiding their position in prophecy.

Originally posted by SimonPeter
Then Revelations tells us of the Mark of the Beasts . This would require a One World Government with a one world money that could not be handled .

First off, the bible never says that there will be a “one world” government, this is simply an assumption made by writers of Futurism. What they fail to realize is that we now have a one world system, without requiring a one world government. We have a World Currency, the US dollar, and we now have a World National ID system (UN ICAO biometric E-passports, National ID's, and the US Real ID). These biometric are in uniform format and usable globally. Good luck finding a country that has not become part of the “system” (National ID), because ATM there are only a couple that don't comply with it.

As a matter of fact, the Statue in Daniel is very clear that the “feet”, or present system, is made “partly of clay and partly of iron”, which means its NOT one government.

Originally posted by SimonPeter
Matthew 24 verse 14 states in Jesus words that this Gospel shall be preached in all the world for a witness to all nations and then the end shall come.

You need to read that again from the beginning, and look at what they are actually talking about.

The disciples were looking at the Temple, and asked Christ “when will this come to pass (the destruction of the temple), what is the sign of the “end of an age”, and when will you return.

The temple was destroyed in 70AD, the same time that the “end of the age of the Jews” occurred, and the beginning of the last age, the “age of the Church” began. So these things have already happened, and they started within a generation of the disciples lives, just as Christ stated. What he didn't explain is that the last age would last over 2000 years, and it would not be until the END of THAT AGE that he would return. So what Christ is saying has come to pass, but the disciples may not have understood the length of time that it would take to complete.

Originally posted by SimonPeter
How many would believe the AC to be Jesus saving Israel at the juncture?

The only reason that Israel is important in prophecy is because the Zionists have pushed Jesuit Futurism on the public as it supports their plans to rebuild Israel. Besides, as EVEYONE on the planet pretty much knows that version of prophecy, its not going to fool ANYONE. Heck, even very anti-christian people intimately know that style of interpretation, and I have debated with many on ATS over the years.

Originally posted by SimonPeter
Then if all of the tribulation occured in 70 AD then the "rapture" has already come and gone and the thousand year reign has past and Revelations 20 verse 8 Armegeddon has already come and gone .

It appears that you are still thinking that the “tribulation” is a 7 year period, but it's not. That is Futurism still rattling around inside your brain. There really is no “tribulation” as you know it, that's a Futurist construct used to make this future 7 year period. The “Age of the Church” is what you could actually call the “tribulation”, and its been ongoing for 2000 years and is not complete yet. I suspect that it will be complete before 3000, because that is the end of the 7th prophetic day. Sir Issac Newton came to the conclusion, also based on Historicism, that the actual “end” would not come prior to 2060.