Somalian Pirates, really? .... or is this illegal trade?

weve all seen the reports now, for years about somalian pirates, and how they.. somehow... in their tiny wooden boats.....take control of big cargo ships... even military ships.

ok, somalia has been sanctioned for about 30 years...meaning no country, can trade with somalia.
it just so happens, somalias ground is full of money
their natural materials are the countrys greatest asset

now, somalia is split into many groups, but in the north there are two distinct areas, somali-land, and punt-land.

as the country has been sanctioned since black hawk down, the north has some how continued to function.

now

as i said somalia is full of money...full to the brim of natural resources.....but what interests the worlds community...are things like uranium

countrys take what they need....under handshake contracts,
then they "deliver" their payment, in the form of "goods"... in those cargo ships
they park the ship close to the main land...and surrender the cargo to the "pirates"

the reason why they do it is because
1) its illegal to trade with somalia
2) they can make an insurance claim on the piracy

its a win win win situation...

just look at the long list of ships they have taken through "piracy"
there are loads...for each year en.wikipedia.org...

notice how there are military ships...and large cargo ships
spanning over many years....with no protection untill a few years ago

well ATS...what do you think,,,pirates...or illegal trade due to sanctions????


heres a news report

Nice post that should remind us to question what we see to a rational degree.

I'd say Somalia is a gray area as far as truth is concerned.
They've seen the plundering and destruction of their marine resources.
There is piracy and there are Islamist groups.
Some South Africans have been captured and released, and such groups exist.
However there is a conspiracy theory on who they ultimately work for, and whether some inside protection racket is involved.

SA has seen a major influx of Somalian refugees, and they have been attacked in xenophobic violence.
Generally they are hard working and astute business people, although the areas they have congregated in do look like Mogadishu.

But yeah, there's a lot of nonsense concerning Africa.
A few days back I saw a dreadful movie called "Machine Gun Preacher", which just made me cringe.
Since then I saw that many of the claims in the movie are false, and the Sudanese Liberation Army never even heard of Sam Childers.
machinegunpreacherfraud.tumblr.com...
Then one hears of kids with local parents who are essentially kidnapped and sold to parents in the US by religious groups.
On the evangelical Christian orphan trafficking in Africa see: www.thedailybeast.com...

It's time the Western world catches a wake-up.

FandS
simple as that
and that piracy claim justifies so much
damn pie rats

Under sanctions their ability to protect their shores was severely weakened. Under such circumstances Somalia became vulnerable to exploitation. It started as a rag tag group of men attempting to protect their beaches from becoming a nuclear and medical waste dump. I believe it then has led to this.

it makes more sense, than the piracy claim

and dont nation states provde military assistance, especially for cargo like oil

jokes

Piracy was huge money making opportunity and to think of them as some guys in some wooded boats does not do them justice. They had a well funded, well run organization in a part of the world where they had almost no chance of getting caught. Of course that was a few years ago, now they are barely in operation because the area is heavly patroled and ending up dead instead of rich is now the norm. Piracy out of Somalia is pretty much dead at this point.

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i completely agree... its a thing of the past now for them

which is why in hindsight... it looks like illegal trade..right

Originally posted by thePharaoh
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i completely agree... its a thing of the past now for them

which is why in hindsight... it looks like illegal trade..right

If by illegal trade you mean that companies would pay to get their ships/cargo and crews back sure. That is the entire idea of piracy. You want your stuff pay us. If your saying the companies some how gained then no, they started arming their ships and demanding military patrols. Not so much trade as ransom.

Originally posted by MrSpad

If by illegal trade you mean that companies would pay to get their ships/cargo and crews back sure. That is the entire idea of piracy. You want your stuff pay us. If your saying the companies some how gained then no, they started arming their ships and demanding military patrols. Not so much trade as ransom.

well...countrys/companies take the assets

the second time round, when they want more....then they have to pay for the first

and they cant pay in money...so the pay in goods

the only reason why they stepped up security was for
"due dilligence for the insurance claims".... you know, when the insurance company asks you what youve put in place, so this doesnt happen again....

yes.. no?

Thats not how the pirates actually work. They usually have about 18-20 ft. motorized craft and go out in groups of anywhere from 10 to 20. They find a small ship off the coast and easily take it.

They then use that ship to go further out and take another bigger ship which they use as the "mother ship". From there they they increase their numbers and hit all available easy targets.

They then return and loot the ship for what they can but their real prize is in ransoming off the people they captured.

Since 2010 I believe, the pirate raids have stopped since many countries have started patrols along the Somalia coast however the pirates have just moved further off shore with this method so it hasn't really slowed them down, just moved them out of the area. Its too profitable to give up.

Originally posted by Hopechest

Since 2010 I believe, the pirate raids have stopped since many countries have started patrols along the Somalia coast however the pirates have just moved further off shore with this method so it hasn't really slowed them down, just moved them out of the area. Its too profitable to give up.

or

insurance companies stopped paying out....


its fine to speculate...its in our interest to do so.....if we were the ones who wanted the sanctions imposed....then we should question if they were sneakly trading under our nose....

Originally posted by thePharaoh

Originally posted by Hopechest

Since 2010 I believe, the pirate raids have stopped since many countries have started patrols along the Somalia coast however the pirates have just moved further off shore with this method so it hasn't really slowed them down, just moved them out of the area. Its too profitable to give up.

or

insurance companies stopped paying out....


its fine to speculate...its in our interest to do so.....if we were the ones who wanted the sanctions imposed....then we should question if they were sneakly trading under our nose....

edit on 7-5-2013 by thePharaoh because: (no reason given)

Yes but its no speculation.

Its a fact. I know, I had to research it for a paper awhile back.

Not sure about the other issues but the pirates were definitely real. Just ask any of the ransomed off people.

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looking at it now... doesnt it seem that the local somali-land president, in the north....seem a little well off?

i know the pirates are real....call them war lords or a militia..which could also be accurate

but closer to the truth... they were the black market, imposing the security for that market place and everything that extended from that


i completely agree with you....but i think a significant amount of ships(not all), from certian countrys...like japan and other asian states.... were illegally trading and then claiming insurace....


i just need to see where these insurace companies are based, and when & why they stopped paying out, and is this why it fell by 80%...then that will justify the thread lol


thaks for gracing the thread
peace

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Oh that's very possible and I really know nothing about it.

The only part I had to research was the pirate operation and how they succeeded before world intervention. Beyond that you may absolutely correct.

I was only addressing that one issue.

Originally posted by thePharaoh
it makes more sense, than the piracy claim

and dont nation states provde military assistance, especially for cargo like oil

jokes

why don't you pop across from Egypt and have a nice little chat with the cuddly Somalian pirates.
Ask them yourself.

Originally posted by HelenConway
why don't you pop across from Egypt and have a nice little chat with the cuddly Somalian pirates.
Ask them yourself.

hahahaaa

your funny.... you and them pirates can cuddle these $%t`s

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I take it you got my point though ???

halfoldman
Nice post that should remind us to question what we see to a rational degree.

I'd say Somalia is a gray area as far as truth is concerned.
They've seen the plundering and destruction of their marine resources.
There is piracy and there are Islamist groups.
Some South Africans have been captured and released, and such groups exist.
However there is a conspiracy theory on who they ultimately work for, and whether some inside protection racket is involved.

SA has seen a major influx of Somalian refugees, and they have been attacked in xenophobic violence.
Generally they are hard working and astute business people, although the areas they have congregated in do look like Mogadishu.

But yeah, there's a lot of nonsense concerning Africa.
A few days back I saw a dreadful movie called "Machine Gun Preacher", which just made me cringe.
Since then I saw that many of the claims in the movie are false, and the Sudanese Liberation Army never even heard of Sam Childers.
machinegunpreacherfraud.tumblr.com...
Then one hears of kids with local parents who are essentially kidnapped and sold to parents in the US by religious groups.
On the evangelical Christian orphan trafficking in Africa see: www.thedailybeast.com...

It's time the Western world catches a wake-up.

edit on 5-5-2013 by halfoldman because: (no reason given)

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Did you READ YOUR SOURCE?!

That man is a pathetic, disgusting, sinner, and he has done more than you ever will. What does that say about you?

This man, Sam Childers, is MY KIND!!!!!