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They need to have a desire to see their fellow man prosper and have a better life than they desire for themselves.
Originally posted by logical7
reply to post by NOTurTypical
I really don't think anything will motivate them. Immoral behavior has been around since Cain murdered Abel. We're humans who have been affected by the nature to sin and do evil things to one another for any variety of reasons.
i think fear motivates them to remain in check, if not fear of God then fear of moral people who will not tolerate immorality, ofcourse moral people should be a majority for that.
I'm guessing you are fishing for a particular answer? If god were needed for morality, you'd never see religious people killing one another and you'd only see atheists acting immoral.
sounds very OT to me... Why do we need to fear God... isn't it said entity that gives life?
i am not looking for a particular answer, i have an answer and looking for it to be refuted.
is smoking "immoral"? Not in my thinking.
Originally posted by 3NL1GHT3N3D1
reply to post by wildtimes
If I'm going to hell for smoking, at least I'll never have to worry about losing my lighter.
Originally posted by logical7
reply to post by wildtimes
is smoking "immoral"? Not in my thinking.
NO, smoking its not immoral, but it sure is unhealthy.
It could be another topic, "do we have a right to harm our own body sloooowly?"
Originally posted by wildtimes
reply to post by NOTurTypical
They need to have a desire to see their fellow man prosper and have a better life than they desire for themselves.
YAY!!!!
See, I sometimes agree with you, NuT!!
So, how does an immoral person do that (change to having a desire to see others do well and be safe) without "fear" of God's punishment if they don't do it? What if that FEAR is the only reason they think that way? Is it sincere?edit on 5-5-2013 by wildtimes because: cinco de mayo
Originally posted by 3NL1GHT3N3D1
reply to post by logical7
So why do you believe a god is needed in order for us to know right from wrong? The Piraha tribe of the Amazon have no concept of god, yet they still know right from wrong.
I don't get the "if criminal law is made on forgiveness" part.
the tribe knows it because each baby is born with it. Its the society that corrupts it an God is needed to restore it. The tribe may already have a belief of no god yet maintained their sense of right and wrong.
i meant if punishments of horrible crimes are too lenient(due to mercy/forgiveness) then it will indirectly encourage(not discourage) those crimes.
Who ever said that criminal law is made on "forgiveness",
Only atheist can think that a criminal who did not value another life should be allowed to live as their is nothing after death and the one who died is already dead so lets not worry about the victim.
Why does FEAR need to be involved? ???????????
Well, I was speaking on the macro- level. If you want to know what changes a person on the micro, or individual level then people need to abandon selfishness, abandon greed. People need to be motivated to serve others, to care more about their wellbeing and needs more than one's own. They need to have a desire to see their fellow man prosper and have a better life than they desire for themselves.