The mystery of death

Lets look at a persons death, and we see that they become stripped of everything that defined them as an individual. They become in the instant after death an inanimate object. This will happen to everyone sooner or later.

The individual that was, that breath of laughter, hatred and sorrow no longer there and replaced with silence and memories of grieving on watchers.

Many new agers presume that the process of dying is being stripped back to a pure essemce of awarness, that gets sucked into a tunnel of light that is the beginning process of rebirth into a physical new body. Some even claim to of lived before, even as demi gods ruling over the ancient kingdoms of the world.

What though if they are wrong, and are deluding themselves.

What if our awarness of self is a conglomeration of feelings and ideas that at death are extinguished, then what is left? Can what if left, which essentially nothing take form of a new body in life.

Are rebirthers playing with themselves they will be reborn? What proof do they have?

What is this mystery of death, can words even remotely describe it ever?


There you go something to think over as you contemplate your own mortality in the big picture of life.

Have you ever noticed the sheer number of reports of what we would deem "paranormal" activity? If only one of those reports is accurate, it suggests that there really is more to life than what is lived in the physical body. There are miraculous stories that have even more than circumstantial evidence to back them up as well, stories that would suggest that death is not the end of human existence. Having had paranormal experiences myself, one of which was witnessed by multiple people, I have no problem accepting that death is simply a transition to something else.

And there are many accounts of things besides ghosts and spirits to suggest that science has not even begun to scratch the surface of the capabilities of the universe beyond what we can physically measure. There have been many things that have happened that cannot be explained by conventional processes, suggesting that there is much more out there to be discovered. So at the very least I would think that any logical person would admit that the possibility is there of life after death, or some sort of continuation after death, even if they do not believe that at the moment.

Saying that it does not exist just proves that a person is illogical, and is actually being persuaded by their own biased beliefs and emotions, while they tell themselves they are being logical. Logic in this case would be that not all of the credible accounts of strange occurrences, the ones for which there is no physical explanation, can be false. That suggests to me a lack of faith in both a Creator and your fellow man, for to think that all these people could be lying, some of them even the people you voted for to run your country. THAT is kinda funny to me.

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The law of karma and reincarnation is as inexorable in this world as is the law of gravity, in my view, and yet this thought gives me no comfort. I positively dread the idea of having to endure childhood all over again, ignorant of my previous life, and in circumstances completely out of my control. Yet another life of lessons and more lessons.

Although I also accept the mystic teachings that the soul has the potential to return to spiritual realms or "higher" levels of consciousness, my attachments here are too many, at least at this point in time, and as we go where our attachments lie, I will more than likely find myself reborn in another human body.

Sometimes I think it would be far easier to be a Christian, but I cannot deny my own inner convictions which lead me in a different direction.

Thanks for the opportunity to wallow in self-pity for a few moments.

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Have you ever noticed the sheer number of reports of what we would deem "paranormal" activity?

Sheer number? You mean something like 2 people out of 7 billion reporting paranormal activity per year? When it gets down to 3 out of five reputable people reporting paranormal activity per year then I'll take it seriously.

Originally posted by AthlonSavage
Lets look at a persons death, and we see that they become stripped of everything that defined them as an individual. They become in the instant after death an inanimate object. This will happen to everyone sooner or later.

The individual that was, that breath of laughter, hatred and sorrow no longer there and replaced with silence and memories of grieving on watchers.

Many new agers presume that the process of dying is being stripped back to a pure essemce of awarness, that gets sucked into a tunnel of light that is the beginning process of rebirth into a physical new body. Some even claim to of lived before, even as demi gods ruling over the ancient kingdoms of the world.

What though if they are wrong, and are deluding themselves.

What if our awarness of self is a conglomeration of feelings and ideas that at death are extinguished, then what is left? Can what if left, which essentially nothing take form of a new body in life.

Are rebirthers playing with themselves they will be reborn? What proof do they have?

What is this mystery of death, can words even remotely describe it ever?


There you go something to think over as you contemplate your own mortality in the big picture of life.

To 1 many TRY to find the OBJECTIVE Data related to the Life and Death Phases within EXISTENCE... BUT even with the compiled Subjective DATA, there still remains doubt on Guides and Overseers and LOCATIONS and placement of the Soul/Spirit/Internal Energy. It seems that the interest then becomes a indulgence in PROVING something that cannot be understood with the current Awareness Levels of some. And then 1 has to ? is this interest/indulgence of some related to actual understanding of the BEYOND or is it FEAR based. A FEAR of that in which current Awareness levels (of Some) consider unknown. And so Fear UNDERSTOOD... As opposed to Seeking understanding of the Phases of Life and Death WITHIN EXISTENCE to perhaps attempt to LINK with Guides or to Understand Overseer activities upon, therefore some have to ask what is their interest, internally..

@Many new agers presume that the process of dying is being stripped back to a pure essemce of awarness, that gets sucked into a tunnel of light that is the beginning process of rebirth into a physical new body. Some even claim to of lived before, even as demi gods ruling over the ancient kingdoms of the world.

As a possible labeled NEW AGER... 1 shall speak. To 1 subjectively:

Death or dying is part of a cycled energy Process of many (cannot say all) CREATOR Creations- this Process of Death is WILL or SELF guided and Locates the Soul/Internal (Metaphysical) Energy/Spirit based on what is understood by some as will but as understood on another energy type level, can be viewed as LAWS of ATTRACTION basically ALLOWING (Various) CREATOR Creations ENERGIES to GATHER or COLLECT in LIKE minded or similar energy Zones in which they have re-manifested (in physical response to each other) ...

This is all Subjectively the View Points of ATS member Known as Ophiuchus 13, as 1 shares. So this view that many New agers as you describe have may be their best subjective understanding of what they may foresee that others cannot that may affect not only this Spheres but the Universe as well 1 Apollos ... and so they interpret it as best as they as Humans can. Other CREATOR Creations may not sense a CHANGE as of yet or maybe they do and so Attract & may wonder if they are possibly affected as well by things potentially foreseen by some here and so inquire about the realms humans seem so INTER-DIMENSIONALLY interested connect-aware in or of, the realms of Life and Death WITHIN EXISTENCE that is.

And that is LOGIC, to Inquire as CREATOR Creation ENERGIES out of intelligence seeking and not FEAR of these other realms of EXISTENCE.. So OP guess it depends on the mind state of the NA you speak of.

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The interesting data 1 picks up here is that the afterlife or metaphysical life from the human collective involves non humans as well. As far as Above and Below. Further consider Laws of Attraction and how if so... there are various CREATOR Creation Energies in the LOCAL zone and why. Is it like fly paper for some and are the paper and are the flies WHO and WHO designed to Attract flies to this paper and for what. is it all just RANDOM or is there intelligence related to the Attraction .. Method and again as CREATOR Creations some can ask why?

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I've just finished reading an interesting book on death by Julia Assante, called 'The Last Frontier'. In it she details her interesting perspectives on death and the afterlife. I thoroughly recommend this book if you are interested in this area of research. It was quite revelatory for me – even though I am already a strong believer in life after death – the book has caused me to shift some of my fundamental beliefs about life and death. I don't want to go into too much detail and spoil it for anyone who wants to read it for themselves, but one thing she describes, which I feel has relevance to this thread, is that the personality is maintained after death.

I also recently saw Allison Dubois and she mentioned something similar – that personalities come through quite clearly in her communication with the deceased.

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I often wonder... how much of me is me?

I am a DNA composition from two human linages that have had a symbiotic relationship with bacteria and viruses for an untold period of time/space/dimensions. I am the life for the dead generations before me as they still exist in code within me.
I wonder... How do I know my thoughts are my own or if they are inspired by the bacterial content or the dead ancestors coded within.
I wonder... Is death only relative when you are no longer thrown forward into the future by the termination of your line of DNA... or is it carried on the back of every bacteria/virus that has had a relationship with the human condition.
Perhaps death is the awareness of another dimension where we are free from the effects of the bacteria/virus and our ancestors encoded within our body that we have a limited conscious of right now yet we believe it is ours due to the attached ego that these entities manifest.
I wonder... Who am I ?