Chilling Video Shows Suspect Drop bag, and Take Cover: So, where is it?

Originally posted by thesmokingman
reply to post by Krakatoa

 

So then if these men did nothing, does that mean an INNOCENT man was killed? Why were they running from the police, and why did they murder a police officer? Oh wait, they are innocent right? You know, sometime, you just have to get justice the good old fashioned way. Truth is, this kid is lucky he is even alive, for now....

An innocent man?! He SHOT at the cops, threw bombs at the cops, carjacked someones' vehicle, kidnapped the person, stole his atm card and forced him to withdraw funds from the bank! Murdered one cop, critically injured another. How is that innocent?!

Then, his own brother ran him over with an SUV, dragging him 40 feet down the road, likely being the action that resulted in his death, not the cops!

My goodness. Innocent man.

God gets to sort that one out.

Yes, of course. They're withholding it because of "trial integrity" and "evidence".

I guess that's why they publicly announced the exact wording of his supposed confession letter. Reading confession letters word-for-word to the news weeks before the trial.

Yea, that happens all the time, right? Right.

Too bad that we showed them martial law works.

We will all be struggling with huge political problems soon, and won't care about this incident or trial anymore.
We probably will never figure it out.

But what I did figure out was that things are going to get worse, before they ever get better.

Originally posted by Libertygal

Originally posted by thesmokingman
reply to post by Krakatoa

 

So then if these men did nothing, does that mean an INNOCENT man was killed? Why were they running from the police, and why did they murder a police officer? Oh wait, they are innocent right? You know, sometime, you just have to get justice the good old fashioned way. Truth is, this kid is lucky he is even alive, for now....

An innocent man?! He SHOT at the cops, threw bombs at the cops, carjacked someones' vehicle, kidnapped the person, stole his atm card and forced him to withdraw funds from the bank! Murdered one cop, critically injured another. How is that innocent?!

Then, his own brother ran him over with an SUV, dragging him 40 feet down the road, likely being the action that resulted in his death, not the cops!

My goodness. Innocent man.

God gets to sort that one out.

edit on 23-4-2013 by Libertygal because: (no reason given)

Yes,
Innocent. Has he been tried in a court of law yet? NO
Has he been convicted in a court of law yet? NO
That is how guilt is decided in this country. It's the same for every American citizen, every one of them.

Do I believe he and his brother did all these things, heck yes I do. But, I am not a judge, or jury, and I will certainly not b their executioner. Until the COURT OF LAW finds them guilty, they MUST be assumed innocent, regardless of what we in the world think.

Originally posted by guymontag
Yes, of course. They're withholding it because of "trial integrity" and "evidence".

I guess that's why they publicly announced the exact wording of his supposed confession letter. Reading confession letters word-for-word to the news weeks before the trial.

Yea, that happens all the time, right? Right.

The report is a part of the public record. SO, if someone wanted to pull these for every crime in their area, they could and post them online. DO they, no, of course not. In a case like this, with national and world coverage, the news media does pull it from the public record and post it on the net. The report is just that, and accusation, not evidence. The EVIDENCE is the PROOF used to convict someone of a crime, right? Accusations are hearsay and not proof.

I guess you don't understand how this all works.

Originally posted by thesmokingman
There's enough people in government jobs already, they dont need a "quick, show stuff on the internet to disprove conspiracy nuts" department as well.

Yes they do. It's called accountability.

Question -
How do you know your dad is your dad.?

Answer -
Because your momma told you so.......!!

When momma government speaks, all the kids accept what she says without asking twice, after all momma would never lie to you, right ??

They have it, you can't see it.

End of story.

Now, drink your milk, brush your teeth and go to bed..you gotta get up early in the morning.

Originally posted by Krakatoa
Are you a lawyer? Do you understand the rules of evidence? Have you ever been in court, even if just on a jury trial? It sounds like no to each of these questions based upon your reaction and postings.

...Do I -need- to be a lawyer to look at a piece of footage, and say "OMG, they DID do it." or "OMG, they DIDN'T do it."

Is having a lawyer & judge present going to change my reaction to the video in ANY way? Will it change a juror's reaction in ANY way?

Like I said, watching it from the comfort of the local library online is NO DIFFERENT than watching it in a courtroom with a judge and lawyer present. The video will show what the video will show, and they -should- release it. All this 'it'll prejudice the trial', and 'it'll make the trial unfair' it just bs. Cause it wont. Simple Logic.

reply to post by valmont325


i agree with you 100 percent, but thats something that will never happen because of the CRAFT

We have a better chance of seeing pics/vids of Bin Laden's body than we do of seeing footage of what the OP speaks of...

(In my opinion of course)

Originally posted by Corruption Exposed

We have a better chance of seeing pics/vids of Bin Laden's body than we do of seeing footage of what the OP speaks of...

edit on 4/23/2013 by Corruption Exposed because: (no reason given)

Perhaps we can find the truth in Snopes.com like we can with SandyHook....

Here comes the trouble when a bureaucratic government gets its hands on evidence.

It's really interesting because as soon as it gets called evidence, it goes into a bag or a box somewhere. This means videos, pictures of dead bodies, exploded bags, shoes that got blown off of feet, bullet casings, et cetera. This means it disappears from the public eye, and they brand-label that stuff fancy classifications like secret or whatnot, meaning they turn the evidence into a private museum where only some people can see it.

Then it's not their job done until there is a court involved somewhere. It's some estimate based on their resources which, sadly, are on a budget and specialists have to sleep sometime. Meaning it gets humanized. So you get your bureaucracy red tape plus humans, not including the outsiders which have basically zero professional say in the matter, and it goes through the justice factory.

That is three months for government, six extra weeks for humans, meaning before this gets revealed in a big show and tell in a court somewhere, the man who got his legs blown off will have been approved for social security disability. That's half a year of no evidence to the public.

I'm not holding my breath.

Originally posted by olaru12

Originally posted by Corruption Exposed

We have a better chance of seeing pics/vids of Bin Laden's body than we do of seeing footage of what the OP speaks of...

edit on 4/23/2013 by Corruption Exposed because: (no reason given)

Perhaps we can find the truth in Snopes.com like we can with SandyHook....

Don't get me started about snopes!

I remember a Sandy Hook thread being shut down due to it being "debunked" by a poorly written snopes article, I'm guessing if I wanted to I could post any retarded snopes piece and have any Boston thread shut down

Snopes...

Originally posted by Krakatoa

Originally posted by Libertygal

Originally posted by thesmokingman
reply to post by Krakatoa

 

So then if these men did nothing, does that mean an INNOCENT man was killed? Why were they running from the police, and why did they murder a police officer? Oh wait, they are innocent right? You know, sometime, you just have to get justice the good old fashioned way. Truth is, this kid is lucky he is even alive, for now....

An innocent man?! He SHOT at the cops, threw bombs at the cops, carjacked someones' vehicle, kidnapped the person, stole his atm card and forced him to withdraw funds from the bank! Murdered one cop, critically injured another. How is that innocent?!

Then, his own brother ran him over with an SUV, dragging him 40 feet down the road, likely being the action that resulted in his death, not the cops!

My goodness. Innocent man.

God gets to sort that one out.

edit on 23-4-2013 by Libertygal because: (no reason given)

Yes,
Innocent. Has he been tried in a court of law yet? NO
Has he been convicted in a court of law yet? NO
That is how guilt is decided in this country. It's the same for every American citizen, every one of them.

Do I believe he and his brother did all these things, heck yes I do. But, I am not a judge, or jury, and I will certainly not b their executioner. Until the COURT OF LAW finds them guilty, they MUST be assumed innocent, regardless of what we in the world think.

You are 100% correct.
I too THINK they are guilty as Hell. But the presumption of innocence trumps anything any one of us THINKS or FEELS.

Look, the guy initially held on suspension of the Ricen letters was found innocent. had it not been for the Bombings the media would have been all over this (essentially a trial by media) and anyone questioning the "official story" would be labeled a "theorist" or whatever. We have a Senator calling for Torture www.cnn.com...#/video/bestoftv/2013/04/23/pmt-greg-ball.cnn, Chants of "USA USA" after a very militant takeover of parts of Watertown, Banner headlines saying "WE GOT HIM." and a "closed case" as far as most are concerned.... And yet, we have honestly seen no evidence and already are assuming we are hearing the truth, no mistakes made etc... Its scary as hell.

Do I think he/they are guilty? Hell yes. Do I believe the "official narrative"? For the most part, I do although I think there was/is a ton of embellishments/omissions to make the "good" guys more Heroic and the "bad" guys more diabolical. I think the basic narrative is TRUE but see it being used and propagandized- But that's just me-

-Regardless. This blind belief absent of evidence is frightening. The next even could be 100% fiction and I imagine the outcome would be very much the same- A ton of blind support and belief in the "official Narrative". Or an innocent could be framed. This is a complex issue, one which is certainly being studied by any future or current leader who may/might eventually pull off a "fiction"/false Flag or frame job.

They're going to camp on this one until things heat up in the bigfoot/ufology/chupacabra dept., then when the Boston Bombing conspiracy theorists are peaking, they'll finally release the video, which will cause conspiracy subjects to take a hit across the board (since many were wrong about the bombings).

or maybe this video is not only chilling, but really horrible showing the bombback-dropping, explosion of it and the maining/aftermath of it. And when they cut the last (really sad) bits out to show it in public, someone comes along on ATS and claims "all fake, we don't see the aftermath, so this not real!!!11one"
So let the vid be shown in court in the right circumstances as evidence and not ouf of context to satisfy someones need for proof that the 2 guys done it.

Originally posted by Krakatoa

Originally posted by Libertygal

Originally posted by thesmokingman
reply to post by Krakatoa

 

So then if these men did nothing, does that mean an INNOCENT man was killed? Why were they running from the police, and why did they murder a police officer? Oh wait, they are innocent right? You know, sometime, you just have to get justice the good old fashioned way. Truth is, this kid is lucky he is even alive, for now....

An innocent man?! He SHOT at the cops, threw bombs at the cops, carjacked someones' vehicle, kidnapped the person, stole his atm card and forced him to withdraw funds from the bank! Murdered one cop, critically injured another. How is that innocent?!

Then, his own brother ran him over with an SUV, dragging him 40 feet down the road, likely being the action that resulted in his death, not the cops!

My goodness. Innocent man.

God gets to sort that one out.

edit on 23-4-2013 by Libertygal because: (no reason given)

Yes,
Innocent. Has he been tried in a court of law yet? NO
Has he been convicted in a court of law yet? NO
That is how guilt is decided in this country. It's the same for every American citizen, every one of them.

Do I believe he and his brother did all these things, heck yes I do. But, I am not a judge, or jury, and I will certainly not b their executioner. Until the COURT OF LAW finds them guilty, they MUST be assumed innocent, regardless of what we in the world think.

You must not have read the quote very well. Here is what was said.

" So then if these men did nothing, does that mean an INNOCENT man was killed?"

Perhaps I misunderstood, but I took it to mean, "If these men did not do the bombing, does that mean an innocent man, Tamerlan, died?"

I was pointing out that regardless of the bombing, the other things they did on the run makes him far from innocent. Since he is dead, he won't get to a court of law, which is why I stated, "God will sort this one out.".

That's who, IMO, of course, he will have to answer to.

Yes, I think he and his brother did it. In fact, I think his little brother is a lot more guilty than most people think. I am already sick of him being portrayed as an innocent victim that was dragged along and forced to play.

I have seen some things that have led me to believe that he was not only actively involved, but enjoyed it. Else, why didn't big bro drop the bags?

Have you seen the photo where he "reacts" after the first bomb goes off? He is smiling an evil smile, and even appears to be cheering or applauding. Hard to say because it is a still shot grabbed from a video, but I can tell it was celebratory happiness.

He will get his day in court, sure. The state is the only one that must assume him innocent until proven guilty.

Me, in my own personal opinion? Guilty as hell, and he should fry for it. Like bacon. In pig fat.

I certainly won't be chosen for his jury. That's my right.

Here is the high-res image. During the FBI press release when the photos were shown, when this one was shown he said, "And here we see one of them "reacting" when the bomb goes off".

www.fbi.gov...