Nellis warning sign...the exception to the area being restricted.

contract solicitation
PDF to sign

The sign reads:

Warning
Restricted Area
When Aircraft Present
(yada yada yada)
Use of Deadly Force Authorized

So the base isn't restricted if there are no airplanes in sight? Does this hold for Groom? ;-) I'll take a Groom Lake tour even with all the toys locked up anytime.

ahh, wouldn't that be great

It seems like that sign would only be used in a certain area. Like maybe a runway where top secret test flights happen. I doubt you would see that sign on the base perimeter.

reply to post by gariac


It says restricted area. Then the next part is talking to military personnel?

Why is the sing indoors anyway?

Why is is in a PDF and not a image file? PDF files can contain Virus's.

Originally posted by PhoenixOD
reply to post by gariac

 

It says restricted area. Then the next part is talking to military personnel?

The sign is aimed at any personnel, military or civilian, who may be on the base but not allowed in that particular area. Just because you may work on a base does not mean you can go anywhere you want.

Why is the sing indoors anyway?

Because it is an example of a sign that will be on fencing to be constructed per the solicitation for quotes.

Why is is in a PDF and not a image file? PDF files can contain Virus's.

Image files can contain viruses too. By the way, the plural of virus is spelled "viruses" and not "virus's".

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Two things come to mind about this sign. First, it is on some persons desk. Maybe the sign was a screw up and the official sign will be worded differently. It isn't like they photographed the sign on an existing fence. The other possibility is they are fencing in hangars, so maybe the area is restricted if there is a plane in the hangar. Otherwise I have never seen a base without some sort of aircraft outside. There are always aircraft present. Even Groom Lake has planes on the ground exposed to satellite surveillance.

I posted it mostly out of curiosity. That is, maybe someone can indicate where they have seen such a sign on some base.

Regarding file formats, on fbo.gov, they use pdf, rtf, etc. The document are just a solicitation, not a real contract. When it comes to signing on the dotted line, I'm sure they use PDFs that are locked so that they can't be altered.

If you want to do some fbo dot gov surfing, search on "vaca". Those are the spook contracts.

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Just because you may work on a base does not mean you can go anywhere you want.

er..yes thats my point..

Image files can contain viruses too.".

You cant catch a virus from viewing an image file like you can by viewing a PDF.

Originally posted by gariac
reply to post by erwalker

 

Two things come to mind about this sign. First, it is on some persons desk. Maybe the sign was a screw up and the official sign will be worded differently. It isn't like they photographed the sign on an existing fence. The other possibility is they are fencing in hangars, so maybe the area is restricted if there is a plane in the hangar. Otherwise I have never seen a base without some sort of aircraft outside. There are always aircraft present. Even Groom Lake has planes on the ground exposed to satellite surveillance.

I posted it mostly out of curiosity. That is, maybe someone can indicate where they have seen such a sign on some base.

The sign is an example of what will be installed on some of the gates to be built and will be part of the work to be supplied by the contractor.

If you take a look at the attachment 2013 Fence IDQ 01 11 00 SOW & 01 33 00.docx, you will find pretty good descriptions of all the work being planned for Nellis, Creech, and related sites at the Nevada Test and Training Range. It describes perimeter fencing, gates, traffic control devices at main gates, etc.

I have seen similar signs at various bases. NAS Moffet Field had an area outlined with a red painted line and the words "use of deadly force authorized" painted on the tarmac. If there was a an all black C-130 Herc with no visible markings parked inside, it was definitely unwise to step over the line. The area where F-22s parked in Tyndal was a no-go area without authorization when planes were there, though I don't remember a sign stating the use of deadly force being authorized. But then I was busy with my own aircraft and not terribly interested in the F-22s.

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You asked:

Then the next part is talking to military personnel?

suggesting that you weren't sure to whom it applied.

Not all personnel working on a base are military and some civilian personnel have have access to areas that many military personnel do not.

I've worked in restricted areas where many military personnel were not authorized to enter at all or only with an escort, yet we had civilian cleaners who were authorized access with some precautions (covering of aircraft status boards, etc).

As for viruses, you are correct that you can't normally get a virus from an image file that is just an image. There was a virus called Perrun that could hide parts of itself in an image but not the entire virus. Image files are not always actually image files.