Evidence of Ancient Advanced Civilizations...Would We Find It?

I think for the sake of respect towards Smyleegirl who started this thread, participants of the thread should from now on try to stick to the subject of the topic.

If the discussion continues to stray off-topic, the thread will be subject to the same kind of phenomenon that happens much too often in other threads when and where the subject of discussion changes too many times and the interest in the thread fades away because of this. Which in my opinion is rather disrespectful not only to the original poster, but to others participating in the thread that wish to discuss the topic further and keep the focus where it belongs.

Just an observation. Please re-read the original post and stay on-topic.

reply to post by Hanslune


Safe radiation level:

"Above background levels of radiation exposure, the NRC requires that its licensees limit maximum radiation exposure to individual members of the public to 100 mrem (1mSv) per year, and limit occupational radiation exposure to adults working with radioactive material to 5,000 mrem (50 mSv) per year."

www.nrc.gov...

Radiation level experience by artificial satellite:

"A object satellite shielded by 3 mm of aluminum will received about 2500 rem (3) per year."

www.redorbit.com...

These quotes show that satellite is experiencing radiation level that is 250,000 times safe level, and 500 times compared to what people in nuclear reactors etc are allowed. Please also note that this is for a shielded satellite, similar to the Apollo module.

Artificial satellites that operate in Van Allen belts not only use shielding, but also duplicated circuits, as radiation damage to circuits is real possibility.

However human tissue cannot be duplicated. The astronaut will suffer the radiation effect. Please also note that radiation on moon should be much higher than earth as moon is enveloped in solar wind. Moon has no atmosphere and no magnetism.

reply to post by Arnie123


I can talk about this race but the problem is evidence. The only artifacts remaining are metallic objects now buried deep into earth. Their location can be figured out but the current political environment is not conducive to such discovery.

The Yogi says that 'Arya' race is original inhabitant of this Earth. This race was very advanced both materially and spiritually. They built large cities and used aircraft extensively even for personal travel.

Their primary place of residence was what is now central Asia, and Tibet, and Sinkiang (Xinxiang) region of China.

They spoke Sanskrit (an older form of Sanskrit) that is based on Veda.

reply to post by GargIndia


As noted by myself and others this is an off topic subject:

I would suggest that parade your lack of scientific understanding here:

General Conspiracies forum: which deals Apollo

If you don't like that forum PM me and I'll send you the URLs of other forums which specialize in that subject

And my apologies to smyleegrl!

reply to post by ABeing


Your point is taken and accepted, I apologise for wandering off the subject and wish I could delete the odd post or that you would but nevertheless no study of possible ancient civilisation could ever be complete without mysticism being integral to that search and trying to banish it would merely show a closed and therefore none investigative mind set, that born in mind I feel I have irreparable tarnished your opinion's of me however I do not retract as for me the experience'(s) was very real and terrifying (though I was also suffering from head injury's and thought I was hallucinating and have never heard of similar symptom's also they started prior to the injury), here is something to flesh out GargIndia's thread that I find refreshing please take note of the different and mainly cultural attitude toward the possibility of ancient culture's and the likely hood if they were ever proven that the sterile western view would have to be radically revised.
aryahistory.tripod.com...
Though much on this site may or may not be accurate, many ancient culture's including famously the HOPI of north America have story's of great destruction and the loss of world's (Civilisation's/Culture's) and many such as the Indian culture and the now extinct cultures of Mesopotamia also have writing's or story's that indicate culture back hundreds of thousand's of year's - though not necessarily in the same location that the culture's now exist.

Also if you look on the Atlantis thread's you will find the story of the archaeological find of a lifetime made accidently by the oceanographer Paulina Zelitsky and her team off the north west of Cuba under 1075 (2200 according to the video I received the 1075 from an earlier story) feet of water on a sandy white plain lie the mysterious remains of an entire city with what appear to be pyramid temple complex and plaza.
www.youtube.com...
At least 6000 years old and made of Huge block's of stone.
(Could somebody of actually set out to erase evidence of a civilisation in the distant past and we are only finding the bit's they failed to destroy and since they are also found on many cave walls and temples from later periods could these be responsible www.youtube.com... And could we be the descendent's of the losing side in a war).

For me though I believe there were many Atlantis's and Thera was one of them as were the lost islands of the Atlantic and possible the Atlantic continental shelves'.

And there is this for Antarctica.
www.youtube.com...

And back to Puma Punku, www.youtube.com...

Further to this the study of ancient civilisation that may have achieved technology can not be performed in isolation of the universe they dwelt in and that we still do today as it remains a possibility and of paramount importance to take into account the other evidence that may still exist about there DESTRUCTION and what possible implication's it may have to us today and tomorrow so this is far more important than protecting some university degree and bursary or individual career as it is our duty to all coming generations to find and expose the truth on matters like these even against the best professional and organised DEBUNKING orders it is the duty of us ALL even those whom debunk on order.

www.youtube.com...
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Much more recent but truly inspiring to see how advanced the Chinese were during the dark ages of Europe,
www.youtube.com...

reply to post by LABTECH767


The 'Arya' race lived very long ago. Millions of years have passed.

However I can talk about a race that existed rather recently who formed the nation of 'Bharat' (by 'Bharatvanshi' = the descendants of Bharat).

It is the truth that the entire Earth was ruled by a king of Bharat for a very long time, till Yudhishtir, the king described in the epic 'Mahabharat'.

However Bharat lost its prominence after Yudhishtir; and the political power got fragmented after his rule. Many kingdoms with independent kings arose after him.

The earth humans were not as scientifically advanced as 'Arya' in the times of nation of Bharat; but they still lived in organized societies in villages, towns, and cities. It is estimated that the Earth had more that 3000 towns and cities in the time when Yudhishtir lived.

These people knew metallurgy - copper, bronze and iron. The iron metallurgy was used to forge arrow-heads, spear-heads, swords, axes, and hubs of chariots. They farmed, reared animals, and had quite established systems of medicine and other forms of sciences that are known today.

reply to post by GargIndia


....and why is there not a scintilla of physical evidence to support these contentions? What is your basis/source for making this claim/stating they are in fact reality?

reply to post by Hanslune


There is plenty of evidence. I shall come to that as well.

But we must remember one thing - we are talking about something more than 5000 years old in this case.
So the evidence will not be "exact". Things can be interpreted in different ways by different people.

However some will be able to see the truth - the ones who have the spark inside (or the virtuous ones).

Originally posted by GargIndia

There is plenty of evidence. I shall come to that as well.

One would hope so

But we must remember one thing - we are talking about something more than 5000 years old in this case.
So the evidence will not be "exact". Things can be interpreted in different ways by different people.

I can provide a great deal of exact evidence on things going back hundreds of thousands of years - why should you not be able to? Also again, what is your source for these statements about 'history'?

However some will be able to see the truth - the ones who have the spark inside (or the virtuous ones).

Qualification or need of special bias to see the 'evidence"? Oh my that doesn't sound very encouraging, it appears your evidence will be belief based and not science.

We look forward to seeing it

reply to post by Hanslune


"I can provide a great deal of exact evidence on things going back hundreds of thousands of years"

I challenge you if you can do that. And we are talking about historical evidence here.

reply to post by LABTECH767


Oh I am not a moderator, please note that, haha! But I saw how the discussion got carried away and felt that someone should try to get it back on track so I did.

And I agree, one cannot discuss this subject without having to touch on some other mysterious topics too, but since the original post was specifically asking for something, I think that around there is where the discuss belongs.

reply to post by ABeing


You are right. However the topic is bound to be controversial as we are talking about events that happened long ago.

Better way is to accommodate people of differing view than to carry out personal attacks.

It is a very difficult topic. However it is also very relevant as many people are looking for answers.

Originally posted by GargIndia
reply to post by Hanslune

 

"I can provide a great deal of exact evidence on things going back hundreds of thousands of years"

I challenge you if you can do that. And we are talking about historical evidence here.

Sure here's a sample

400,000 year old wooden javelin's

now your turn

reply to post by Hanslune


Can you please give a link to the complete article.

And can you also explain how the age of spear was determined to be exactly 400,000 years?

And I apologize to other posters as it is not my intention to engage in such posts but I am being forced.

Originally posted by GargIndia
reply to post by Hanslune

 

Can you please give a link to the complete article.

And can you also explain how the age of spear was determined to be exactly 400,000 years?

And I apologize to other posters as it is not my intention to engage in such posts but I am being forced.

Here you go - it'll cost you 32 USD

Or you can look at this other publication which discusses the dating

The spears





and your source for you statements were?

reply to post by Hanslune


Please refer to the following article:

amazingdiscoveries.org...

reply to post by Hanslune


Please refer to this link:

www.wisegeek.com...

Lignites do not form overnight. It takes millions of years. This spear tip is found in a lignite layer. It is likely to be the same as age as the lignite in which it is found.

Originally posted by GargIndia
reply to post by Hanslune

 

Please refer to the following article:amazingdiscoveries.org...

Please refer to the following paragraph about 'Amazing Discoveries":

We are committed to sharing the truth about God and His promises. Amazing Discoveries™ began as a way for us to further spread this truth. In 1992 we met scientist and speaker Professor Walter J. Veith. After hearing his life story and seeing his passion for truth, we invited him to hold his first public Canadian seminars ... on science and religion. Seeing the success of Professor Veith’s series, we formed Amazing Discoveries™ in 1993 as a way to expand our audience and consolidate resources. Link

Hmmm - who is this Walter guy? Even his fellow Seventh Day Adventists seem a mite concerned:

Veith, it goes without saying, is trading in a world of fantasy and myth that has considerably less logic than a Dan Brown novel and a great deal more creepiness. Spectrum

This is a fine place for spirited debate, but throwing religiously motivated junk science into the fray just clutters it up. If your point is: "Cuz God sez so!"...just get it out there.

reply to post by JohnnyCanuck


Please comment on substance rather than "faith" of somebody?

Let me know the points in the article where you have problems.

I have given this reference due to the logic offered, not due to faith or religion of the author.

Originally posted by GargIndia
reply to post by Hanslune

 

Please refer to the following article:

amazingdiscoveries.org...

Ah dude radio-carbon dating wasn't used with the spears - I see you didn't read the links and don't even know that a date off circa 400,000 years ago is impossible to obtain with radio carbon - go read what I posted and what the scientists actually did.

Fail

AGAIN what is the source of your claims? Is it an existing Sanskrit document, archaeological data or just your imagination?

lol