Taking your children away.... slowly.

The State can demand until it is blue in the face, but if teachers refuse to teach for that amount of time then it isn't going to happen. I can imagine quite severe and serious strike action and non compliance from parents if Gove's latest 'fantasy' is rolled out.

Classrooms are already in chaos. There is rarely a class where children sit and listen without some kind of disruption taking place so 'indoctrination' is going to be very difficult especially as children and teachers become increasingly aware that the government national curriculum is full of holes.

I am a believer in Home Schooling if you can as it is a very successful form of education and well worth one parent staying at home to teach the children if at all possible. It is NOT difficult.

Having returned my own child to school in order to take GCSE's i am astonished at what is now happening in schools and wondering whether we should have just continued to home school.

Teachers are doing their best and working flat out taking care of our children BUT there are so many emotionally damaged children with broken families and single parent homes who do not know how to behave and are too upset to learn much that success with these children is limited.

Do not knock the teachers. They are well aware of the government being responsible for family breakdown and education break down and want the government to keep their untrained noses out of education completely.

If they achieved this goal, our children might stand a chance with these teachers who really do have their best interests at heart..........which cannot be said for the government who seem to know absolutely nothing about anything and are masters of messing everything up!

If school holidays virtually disappeared we would just go back to home schooling and I am certain that an increased proportion (though not massive) amount of parents would do so also.
But even the best behaved schools are struggling with behaviour now and with the increase in school leaving age we might yet see partial collapse of education in the UK.

How is anyone going to make an unwilling 16 - 18 year old go to school when they are already struggling with the 13-16 year group?

Or how about we create more teachers, cut the classrooms back and leave the hours the same? School here in Aus runs from roughly 8:45 to 3:15 and to me, they are great hours and enough time to teach children with the right practices in place. Really, what's an extra hour or so really going to achieve?

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Well for a start the approx £16 per day that the parent would keep rather than paying a childminder to look after their child after the school day ends and before the work one does...More money in the parents pocket is good for the child.

As for the more teachers/smaller classes, yes I agree to an extent, but where are you going to put these extra teachers? School buildings are at capacity as it is and whilst it would be great if there were more schools or bigger schools the economy is squeezed tightly enough right now and these type of social building programmes are just not currently viable.

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I'm not sure how reducing school holidays will lead to an uptake in home schooling, for working parents this is not an option and also there are many parents who lack the confidence and/or the skills necessary to home school, which would immediately put their children at a disadvantage.

Whilst there are many problems in schools today, home schooling is not necessarily the best alternative as children can become isolated in such an environment and I'm not saying they all do, but it depends very much on the parents ability to ensure their home schooled kids get as much opportunity for socialising as those who attend mainstream education.

Furthermore, teachers have employment contracts just like everybody else and for too long have been seen as having and "easy number" with the extended holidays they have, although, having worked within a local authority education dept I do realise the pressure that teachers are under, However, compared with many other local authority depts and indeed those also in the private sector, who are under just as much pressure to perform, I do see how it can seem unfair that teachers have the annual leave entitlement that they do and as such I don't think that reducing it by a few weeks would make that much difference to the numbers of people in teaching posts, it's still a well paid and secure profession, which in the current economic climate is still sought after.

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I understand what you say about HS, but had to work very hard at making sure my child was well socialised and it worked very well. Infact, the education part worked very well and my child ended up in good sets for all subjects on return to school, which is not unusual for one to one teaching.

But if exams are you aim, schools are the easiest bet because of the exam support they give.

But back to the holidays issue, this is very 'communist'.
I have relatives in eastern europe, and the indoctrination of children in state education in the times that I spent there was worrying. Mothers rarely saw their children and the hours parents worked to survive were probably topping 50+ hours a week.

However, the good news is that nothing stays the same and any attempts to indoctrinate in the age of the internet are doomed to failiure if a child can be kept away from distratctions such as games, rubbish on tv etc and kept interested in books, conversation and thinking then the chances are high for good outcome and little thought contol by the state! keep them away from 'bread and circuses' and encourage argument, discussion, tinking and creativity. Teach all that you can of solid history and creative thinking.

For governments to finally take over the thinking processes of people the interenet would either have to go down permanently or be completely state sponsored and controlled, which I can't see happening yet.

That's another part of the 'game' for the future!

Originally posted by jude11

Originally posted by TruthxIsxInxThexMist
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Do you think so?

Maybe I am but I feel this is going to be taking more rights away from parents!! Orweilian Society may have been more appropriate.

I'm not a parent myself but just thought I'd post this thread and see the re-action....

dont forget that children will be chipped too and be like robots from an early age!!

I think its good to see children with their parents during holidays.. maybe some parents dont want to see their children much and would rather work!!

Besides, there are less and less jobs out there and more people unemployed... what exactly will these children be doing when they finish school with higher grades?? (If they get higher grades)

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Another thing I've always said: "Home Schooling".

Peace

Until they make that illegal. Illegal in a lot of countries, suprisingly homeschooling is illegal in Sweden, Germany, and Greenland.

Interesting article about deporting people from Germany who came here tohomechool:Home Schooling German Family Fights Deportation

“He alone, who owns the youth, gains the future.” Hitler

what people fail to keep in mind is only the most elite of families is most Asian countries get to go to school.
the rest are put to work. not a very good standard to base upon.

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Very good point about other countries.
However, school as it is seen these days is really a recent thing/institution.
Self learning, through books however has always existed. You can teach yourself anything if you can read and in the end all we need is literacy and someone skilled in whatever 'craft' we wish to take up to teach us.

Schools have sadly become exam factories. Essential if there is a job for you to go to but really, in the great scheme of things, really essential to 'learn'?

Einstein never attended school and believed we should take the opposite view of everything we are told is true in order to get to the truth.

Home School if you can, but Home School is the responsibility of every parent whether they send their child to school our not.
WE must educate our own children and in so doing we educate ourselves.
Learn and teach! Read and teach what you have read!

Creativity and abstract thinking and opposite thinking is real education. These are the things not taught in school.

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Even if home schooling were to become illegal everywhere, there is nothing stopping a parent teaching their own child in the time available.

Get your child used to you reading to them from babyhood and continue when they are older.
My older children are in their mid to late 20's and I still teach them and read to them whatever I learn and read.
They still sit, listen and then the best part criticise!! Teach continually. It is a parent's responsibility!

Originally posted by Elliot
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Even if home schooling were to become illegal everywhere, there is nothing stopping a parent teaching their own child in the time available.

Get your child used to you reading to them from babyhood and continue when they are older.
My older children are in their mid to late 20's and I still teach them and read to them whatever I learn and read.
They still sit, listen and then the best part criticise!! Teach continually. It is a parent's responsibility!

But of course. Well said!

Great points have been bought up and I mimick what you say. I believe a child has to be able to use their own thought, not have it manipulated so they only believe what they are told. Unfortunately for me, I was one of those who never questioned anything when I was at school! I don't know where my brain was but it definately wasn't able to think for itself back then.

I think that i was injected with something that stopped my right side of my brain from functioning so I was unable to think constructively and with reasoning.

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The Education Secretary called for longer school days and term times, warning that the current system is out of date and fit for the agricultural economy of the 19th century.

This is just as true in America.

Making schools 9-5 like the common workday would also solve a lot of financial issues, as daycare is almost as or more expensive than the pay from a job. In addition, it will cut down on juvenile delinquency, and allow parents MORE influence, since the kids won't have those hours without school or mom and dad, to get into trouble. To be honest, school should really be 8-6 with the option of either 8-4, 9-5, or 10-6 depending on the student/parent needs.

No!! This is horrible! England = no respect.

One day karma will come back to this dude.

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Government controlled school is really 'training' as opposed to education.

There are many ways to 'skin a cat' and education, real education comes out of the loop of government control.

Google 'Acorn School' and 'University places without A levels' and you will see that the best minds develop out of the State controlled schooling system and out of schools. Remember, Einstein never went to school along with many notable great thinkers. School takes the 'thinking' away and 'trains' to accept what you are told rather than challenge everything.

Challenging everything can still be taught by parents and so I still believe that if parents are up to the task they can teach real thinking ability.

I believe teachers WANT to teach that way but the OFSTED inspection system is put in place to 'beat' the teachers into submission. Very sad! I like teachers. They are very oppressed by the State and I hope they will finally stand up and oppose the tyranny that has been imposed on them by successive governments.

Afterall, 'The hand that rocks the cradle rules the world!'