I think the American Revolution has begun, or very very close.

An American revolution at this point would be a headless beast that would descend into abject anarchy rather quickly - if it didn't fizzle out before it even began. For a revolution to work there has to be some level of unity among the general population and a clearly defined goal.

What do we have now? Nothing even close to that. What we have is a far right element, entrenched in religion and an abstract idea of total freedom that, in reality, wouldn't be freedom for many and would quickly evaporate as the need for structure became apparent.

On the other side, the extreme left has utopian views about a perfect society that cannot ever actually exist - as taking motivation out of the picture kills progress.

What we're left with is the realization that even if there were a violent and warlike revolution in this country - necessity would rather quickly return us to basically what we have today. Two groups of idealists stuck in an eternal back and forth between the extremes.

Originally posted by Hefficide

An American revolution at this point would be a headless beast that would descend into abject anarchy rather quickly - if it didn't fizzle out before it even began. For a revolution to work there has to be some level of unity among the general population and a clearly defined goal.

What do we have now? Nothing even close to that. What we have is a far right element, entrenched in religion and an abstract idea of total freedom that, in reality, wouldn't be freedom for many and would quickly evaporate as the need for structure became apparent.

On the other side, the extreme left has utopian views about a perfect society that cannot ever actually exist - as taking motivation out of the picture kills progress.

What we're left with is the realization that even if there were a violent and warlike revolution in this country - necessity would rather quickly return us to basically what we have today. Two groups of idealists stuck in an eternal back and forth between the extremes.

I think honestly the clearly defined goal we need is pretty simple in these: Encroachment of the Federal government on State's authorities, and going even smaller, encroachment of Local rights by the state.

reply to post by chuck258


Trickle down encroachment. Clearing the ivy from the ground up.

Aleksandr I. Solzhenitsyn
And how we burned in the camps later, thinking: What would things have been like if every Security operative, when he went out at night to make an arrest, had been uncertain whether he would return alive and had to say good-bye to his family? Or if, during periods of mass arrests, as for example in Leningrad, when they arrested a quarter of the entire city, people had not simply sat there in their lairs, paling with terror at every bang of the downstairs door and at every step on the staircase, but had understood they had nothing left to lose and had boldly set up in the downstairs hall an ambush of half a dozen people with axes, hammers, pokers, or whatever else was at hand? End Quote:

Today as then the government had a reason to come knocking...The reasons today (if it ever comes to that) will be explained on MSN and the majority of the people will go along to get along; only 3% actively supported and fought in the original one so why would one think there would be more this time?...Think it is better for everyone to vote at local and national elections myself, and be sure the vote is not a fraud like in some banana republic. Need an ID for a bank account, to buy beer yet not to vote...IMO stupid and the ones who support the fraud scream the loudest when the subject is broached.....

I do not think we are close to an armed revolution....No food, shelter, and no hope is recipe for serious confrontations but with 48% already on some type of government hand-out along with the printing of money so what if it goes to 55 or 60%....When was the last time in America more than a million gathered in one spot with a clearly defined reason to be there??

reply to post by 727Sky


You've reminded me of the scenes we see in movies and throughout history... a few scary men executing a huge mass of people, who for reasons unknown, do nothing to defend themselves.

Like the scene in Hunger games when they're getting chosen to "compete".

or when they're on the train.

They could have shredded the upholstery, made Molotov cocktails, fire bombed the compartment that the evil lady was in, and buggered off with some basic tools. They weren't stuck on the train with the crazy people. The crazy people were stuck on the train with them.

Instead they just kinda went along with everything.

Originally posted by chuck258

Originally posted by Hefficide

An American revolution at this point would be a headless beast that would descend into abject anarchy rather quickly - if it didn't fizzle out before it even began. For a revolution to work there has to be some level of unity among the general population and a clearly defined goal.

What do we have now? Nothing even close to that. What we have is a far right element, entrenched in religion and an abstract idea of total freedom that, in reality, wouldn't be freedom for many and would quickly evaporate as the need for structure became apparent.

On the other side, the extreme left has utopian views about a perfect society that cannot ever actually exist - as taking motivation out of the picture kills progress.

What we're left with is the realization that even if there were a violent and warlike revolution in this country - necessity would rather quickly return us to basically what we have today. Two groups of idealists stuck in an eternal back and forth between the extremes.

I think honestly the clearly defined goal we need is pretty simple in these: Encroachment of the Federal government on State's authorities, and going even smaller, encroachment of Local rights by the state.

The worst laws tend to be at the local level. Without state and federal laws to prevent such things we would have some towns that would laws that many would find insane. Of course all this is silly talk by people who seem to have no real knowledge of American History.

reply to post by teachtaire


Nonchalant chemicals in the food supply and cigarettes are added to prevent us from thinking about such things.....What was I talking about?

Originally posted by Mamatus
An act of Revolution does not include attacking or bombing civilians.

Washington would disagree. They foment revolution around the world and routinely murder men, women and children, steal their assets and decimate their environment.