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Quoted for truth. It is all about the lowest common denominator. The laws are based on the dumbest/worst of our society and then applied to the normal people, not the idiots/thugs.
Originally posted by thisguyrighthere
The real issue, I think, is why are legislators and their constituents so goddamned stupid.
Originally posted by neoholographic
Think about how silly it sounds. In order to stop criminals from killing, they want to take guns from law abiding citizens.
Originally posted by Cabin
The laws are overally too soft on such matters. If anybody would get 10-20+ years for drug dealing (even small time), prostution , owning an illegal firearm or carrying a concealed fire-arm when it is not allowed, then I am 100% sure that the gun-violence would not rise and gang-violence will fall.
Anything depends on punishments. In some countries criminals, especially small-time criminals (burglars, robbers etc) do not carry a gun usually, as it would simply mean extra 5-10 years in prison if caught. For example, burglar might get a 1-2 year imprisonment, if he was caught during burglary and he had a gun, it would mean automatically at least triple the punishment. Not worth it, considering the risk. 1 year is nothing compared to 10.edit on 11-4-2013 by Cabin because: (no reason given)
Originally posted by neoholographic
The problem is it isn't about reducing gun violence. It's about a political agenda and the 2nd amendment.
With prostitution and drugs i think it should be legal. If you had legal massage parlors and brothels that would help reduce the criminal element in prostitution. You don't see people on the corner slinging a 6 pack of Hard Mike's.
I also think drugs should be legal starting with weed. A person should be able to go into Rite Aid and get a pack of the bubble kush like they buy Newports.
Originally posted by Bioshock
reply to post by Indigo5
All they're asking for is background checks on people that buy guns legally... how does this stop dude on the corner buying an illegal gun?
Originally posted by Indigo5
Originally posted by neoholographic
Think about how silly it sounds. In order to stop criminals from killing, they want to take guns from law abiding citizens.
Yes that does sound silly...if only any of these proposed laws involved "take guns from law abiding citizens." you might have a point.
As it stands what they are asking for is background checks.
And even the most draconian proposals, which stand a snowballs chance in hell of passing, only limit new sales of Assault Weapons...not confiscating those already owned.
Curious what you are seeing proposed by the vast majority...not fringe...of "gun control" advocates that demands taking guns from "law abiding citizens"
I personally think that the NRA sucking IQ from the general public...just so much BS.
Originally posted by Krakatoa
I guess you missed the recent story of the upstate NY man who had his license revoked and all his guns confiscated..........due to a MISTAKE because a proper background check (and possible illegal HIPPA privacy violation to gain access to his medical records) was done by the STATE POLICE.
Yeah, nothing to worry about here, move along............
Under the new Safe Act in New York, anyone receiving mental health treatment is subject to a medical professional filing a report if they feel their patient is,"likely to engage in conduct that would result in serious harm to themselves or others."
Originally posted by Indigo5
Originally posted by Krakatoa
I guess you missed the recent story of the upstate NY man who had his license revoked and all his guns confiscated..........due to a MISTAKE because a proper background check (and possible illegal HIPPA privacy violation to gain access to his medical records) was done by the STATE POLICE.
Yeah, nothing to worry about here, move along............
Links always help...but I tracked it down for you..www.wkbw.com...
A) The guys gun colection was confiscated under NY Safe Act...and no one has released or discussed the "why" beyond that.
B) What we do know...
Under the new Safe Act in New York, anyone receiving mental health treatment is subject to a medical professional filing a report if they feel their patient is,"likely to engage in conduct that would result in serious harm to themselves or others."
So the guy had over 4K in guns ( how many guns do you think he had?) and one of his therapists/doctors felt strongly enough about his state to file a report that ","likely to engage in conduct that would result in serious harm to themselves or others."
What do you think he told his shrink to warrant such a strong response? How did the doctor know he owned guns?...Did the man talk about his guns and how he planned on killing people? Now we don't know, but I suspect psychologists don't like losing clients, which he certainly has done here...so the psychologist must have felt pretty strongly about what this man said and that the man was serious.
If Lanze or Holmes et al. had shared something similair with a doctor...and the doctor knew the patient well enough to distinguish between rant and genuine illness...would you want the doctor to drop a dime?edit on 12-4-2013 by Indigo5 because: (no reason given)