Multiculturalism in the UK has totally failed

Originally posted by Truth_Hz
reply to post by redandblue

 

It is nothing do with "White Flight" it's the fact that London is overpriced and for the most part a sh*thole..

What I used to pay for a 1 bed flat in Shoreditch gets me a three bed house with a garden outside of London AND pays for my train fare into the city for work...

It has nothing to do with immigration..

Why is it overpriced? Why is it a #hole?

Nothing to do with immigration? With 600,000 people moving out of the city is it not easy to see the logic that without mass immigration the demand for housing would be less and hence prices would fall?
Despite over half a million people moving out of the city the housing demand is increasing, there's no other reason for that other than mass immigration. It's ridiculous to argue otherwise.

My local area has become a #hole ever since the council moved the Somalians into one area which they then turned into a ghetto where nobody can walk at night, the shops have to serve through a serving hatch, the KFC shop will give you your order from behind a perspex screen like you see in a bank and a place in which nobody works..they are ALL on benefits!....yeah nothing to do with immigration

reply to post by redandblue


Mainly due to Daily Mail readers having a panic..

Or perhaps that EVERYTHING is over priced in London and always has been. Unless you were born into money in the rather exclusive parts of London or were lucky enough to have a family that got given a council house after the second world war, acquiring a house has always been expensive in London and everywhere else in the country has fallen further and further behind since the 1960's which is down to the "Real Earnings" that are being payed in Central London (i.e. the London Rate)

Why would you stay in a crowded, grubby, tourist filled city when ,due to improved transport links, you can still earn the London rates and live in a much nicer part of the country and still have a very similar travel time to work..

Originally posted by doobydoll
reply to post by LUXUS

 

I am all for people striving to make a better life for themselves, and I welcome the law-abiding, hard-working immigrants who really do make an effort. But I really do resent that many come here to no job, and nowhere to live, no plans whatsoever as to how they'll live until they find work. Straight on benefits.

They would also fare far better in our country if they learn a few sentences of English before they come here.

We shouldn't be letting anyone in if they have a criminal record, we don't want them (are EU citizens checked for this? my bad if so).

If they break our laws here, we should send them straight back to their home country for good, we don't want them here, we have more than enough of our own criminals thank you very much.

We should insist they plan for what they're going to need before their move here, instead of landing with nothing but what they are stood up in and expect the rest of us to cough up.

Australia know how to do it and it works fine there - we should follow suit.

Errrm.., sorry, but multiculturalism most certainly isn't working here in Australia.
Here's the problem.
I came here from England in 1967 as one of the "Ten quid Poms". The way of life here was totally different and we quickly had to adapt as if anyone complained they were quickly told "If you don't like it, well bugger off back to where you came from"! We lived in a nissen hut on a hostel with communal toilets, showers and eating for two years. There were people of all nationalities on the hostel and we came to know each other and became friends before purchasing houses of our own in various locations throughout Melbourne's suburbs. Even then there were 'communities' where Italians congregated, the English congregated etc, etc but many of us remained friends and would meet up occasionally.
Today it is totally different. there are no communal hostels. People are not integrating nor assimilating. Instead of adapting to the new way of life they are demanding that Australia changes to conform to the way of life they knew before coming here. Some even wish to live within their own laws and ignore Australian law completely, yet have no qualms taking all the welfare assistance that they can.
That is why multiculturalism is not working here in Australia.
I find it quite unbelievable that people who are not happy in their own Countries who apply for asylum or immigrate to another Country, settle in under the welfare system quite quickly but then try to change their adopted Country into the one they left where they were unhappy.

Harriet Harman visits her London constituency

Labour's Harriet Harman visits her Camberwell and Peckham constituency in London wearing a stab proof vest escorted by 3 police officers.

Peckham (also known as Little Lagos and Yorubatown) is home to one of the largest overseas Nigerian communities in the world. According to Wkipedia, 60% of the constituency is Black, 40% are Black African, while 7% were born in Nigeria.

Ethinc groups in London

Major groups in Peckham (according to the 2001 census)

Black African – 35.67%
White British – 25.73%
Black Caribbean – 15.45%
Other White – 4.58%
Other Black – 3.58%
Chinese – 3.51%
Other Asian – 2.14%
White Irish – 1.93%
Mixed White-Black Caribbean – 1.86%
Bangladeshi – 1.25%
Other Mixed – 1.17%
Mixed White-Black African – 1.08%
Indian – 0.69%
Other South Asian – 0.68%
Mixed White-South Asian – 0.35%
Pakistani – 0.33%

Link

Its a multicultural melting pot!

Local Labour MP Harriet Harman doesn't actually live there of course. She has a home in Herne Hill, South London and a second home in Sussex.

Also just to add that White British are still a significant majority in the city of London

White British make up 44.9% of the population

The closest Demographic to that is "Asian" comprising of Indian, Pakistani, Bangladeshi, Chinese and they only make up 18.4% of the population of London

Edit to Add:

Black population of London including Black African, Black Caribbean and "Other Black" make up 13.3% of the population....

One should also factor the growth of UKIP, the UK Independence Party.

As a member of the EU, Britain has lost control of her borders. Some 2.5 million immigrants have arrived since 1997 and up to one million economic migrants live here illegally.

UKIP will: · End mass, uncontrolled immigration. UKIP calls for an immediate five-year freeze on immigration for permanent settlement. We aspire to ensure that any future immigration does not exceed 50,000 people p.a.

and perhaps most disturbingly,

End the active promotion of the doctrine of multiculturalism by local and national government and all publicly funded bodies

Source: UKIP Policies

Aaaaah, patriotism and nationalism combined - I like that. Smells like fascism, but that may be just my nose.

Anyway, why is there this "white flight"? And where are they going?
This is just a normal trend, giving up cheaper space while moving into something more luxurious. Same goes for "the British" as for "the aliens".

Originally posted by OzTiger

Originally posted by doobydoll
reply to post by LUXUS

 

I am all for people striving to make a better life for themselves, and I welcome the law-abiding, hard-working immigrants who really do make an effort. But I really do resent that many come here to no job, and nowhere to live, no plans whatsoever as to how they'll live until they find work. Straight on benefits.

They would also fare far better in our country if they learn a few sentences of English before they come here.

We shouldn't be letting anyone in if they have a criminal record, we don't want them (are EU citizens checked for this? my bad if so).

If they break our laws here, we should send them straight back to their home country for good, we don't want them here, we have more than enough of our own criminals thank you very much.

We should insist they plan for what they're going to need before their move here, instead of landing with nothing but what they are stood up in and expect the rest of us to cough up.

Australia know how to do it and it works fine there - we should follow suit.

Errrm.., sorry, but multiculturalism most certainly isn't working here in Australia.
Here's the problem.
I came here from England in 1967 as one of the "Ten quid Poms". The way of life here was totally different and we quickly had to adapt as if anyone complained they were quickly told "If you don't like it, well bugger off back to where you came from"! We lived in a nissen hut on a hostel with communal toilets, showers and eating for two years. There were people of all nationalities on the hostel and we came to know each other and became friends before purchasing houses of our own in various locations throughout Melbourne's suburbs. Even then there were 'communities' where Italians congregated, the English congregated etc, etc but many of us remained friends and would meet up occasionally.
Today it is totally different. there are no communal hostels. People are not integrating nor assimilating. Instead of adapting to the new way of life they are demanding that Australia changes to conform to the way of life they knew before coming here. Some even wish to live within their own laws and ignore Australian law completely, yet have no qualms taking all the welfare assistance that they can.
That is why multiculturalism is not working here in Australia.
I find it quite unbelievable that people who are not happy in their own Countries who apply for asylum or immigrate to another Country, settle in under the welfare system quite quickly but then try to change their adopted Country into the one they left where they were unhappy.

I said Australian immigration criteria works - if I want to emigrate there, I have to have a sponsor, a job, a home, and a certain amount of money in the bank, all sorted and in place before I leave my own country. I will not be given anything from the Aussie taxpayer, nor would I expect it. UK should follow suit with this.

But I do agree that multiculturism is not working. Many 'strict' cultures will never mix with our western ways, they don't want to, and they won't make any effort to either. People with different culture to ours tend to form their own communities in our society, where no English is spoken, where no western ways are adopted, and they have no intention of integrating with us. Many places are 'no-go' areas of crime and lawlessness - gangs of foreign youths who assault innocent members of the British public who have a right to walk in any of our streets, for daring to wander in 'their' area. Why would ANY nation want them when they behave this way?

Why do they want to come here when they hate us so much? Why don't they piss off back home where their heathen ways are the norm? They obviously miss that way of life, but they bring it here where it isn't welcome.

This is UK 2013 AD, we live by British law and British culture, a civilized first world society and nation, and as such, we take excellent care of immigrants when they get here and treat them with priority over our own citizens to help them make a good life they are supposedly seeking. Why is it too much to expect some sort of effort from them to integrate, in return?

Our culture offends them - but our social benefits don't.

It was a lovely idea and it looked good on the planning wall it even started out great.

But then, after a while, the big group of everyone, starting forming small groups of "the same" till there's large groups, then only large groups.

I personally do not mind, i enjoy living in the ever shrinking "everyone" section for now. If im forced (indirectly) to live only with people like me and my ways i too shall run away from the UK.

Originally posted by KingDoey
You might be proud of 'Great' Britain, and good for you. I dont think I know anyone who 'LOVES' multiculturalism...

I personally can't wait for my permanant residency visa to be finalised for Canada. I know a fair few people from my generation who are getting out.

What is it now 4 towns in England alone where English people are a minority?

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Nice choice dude. There are plenty of towns here where the population is strictly English, Irish, Scotish or Dutch and German. Avoid Toronto or Calgary or Vancouver, in other words big cities and you'd be just fine. Actually recently there is a big wave of British people coming to Canada permanently. So I'm sure you'd be feeling like coming home. Lol

Anyone claiming multiculturalism clearly doesn't work is giving a massive slap across the face and a "screw you" to every honest, hard-working immigrant who has tried to make a living here. Your readiness to point out the negatives, while totally ignoring the positives, only highlights the desperation for a scapegoat they can blame their own failings on.

Originally posted by IvanAstikov
Anyone claiming multiculturalism clearly doesn't work is giving a massive slap across the face and a "screw you" to every honest, hard-working immigrant who has tried to make a living here.

No one is suggesting that the hard-working immigrants are the problem. The ones who bring crime and welfare dependance are.

BBC News: House of Lords - Immigration 'small benefit' to UK

Record levels of immigration have had "little or no impact" on the economic well-being of Britons, an influential House of Lords committee has said.

Limit immigration, warns House of Lords

The number of immigrants entering Britain should be capped, an influential House of Lords committee has warned. Its analysis concludes that record levels of immigration are bringing no economic benefit to the country.

Immigration drains Britain, says Left think tank

Hundreds of thousands of immigrants are a drain on Britain and its economy, not a benefit, says a Left-leaning think tank.

Migrants from many developing nations fail to pay their way, while those from wealthy countries, such as the United States and Australia, provide a boost for the economy.

Any workers that come here to and are prepared to work for less ARE a problem, they force down wages and standards of living !!!........And anyone who thinks otherwise is STUPID.

Originally posted by ken10
Any workers that come here to and are prepared to work for less ARE a problem, they force down wages and standards of living !!!........And anyone who thinks otherwise is STUPID.

A very good point. If as the House of Lords has stated, the net economic benefit of immigration is small or non existent, that doesn't mean there are not winners and losers.

The unskilled tend to be the losers, as their wages are forced down by unskilled immigrants.

The middle classes and the very rich on the other hand tend to be winners. Their jobs/income isn't impacted by mass immigration from the third world as third world immigrants can rarely do their jobs.

Big business of course is the main benefit of third world immigration. If you don't feel like building a factory in China or India, just bring the cheap labour to the UK. Same effect.

reply to post by ollncasino


Ok so lets say that we take this article that paints all foreigners to be terrible people because it's from the Daily Mail.

Daily Mail

This article states that foreigners are responsible for ONE IN FOUR crimes in London... despicable eh!!

Until we put forward the results that "British Whites are the minority" 49% (which by the way is a total LIE)

Daily Mail Again

So using Daily Mail logic the Non British Whites in London i.e. Johnny Foreigner (51%) have commited only one in four crimes?

This would therefore mean that British Whites (49%) have committed 3 out of 4 crimes in London... so in actual fact the minority is actually committing the majority of crime and that majority is of White British descent..

Which is why any of these statistics that are reported around any of this are absolute BS.. Don't believe any of the papers and do the research yourself.

(I do realise that I have used the results of this post to my benefit but it is to make a valid point that anyone can take these numbers, stick a sensationalist headline on them and people will read into it how they wish)

There is no mass tide of whites running from London because of immigration issues, it is purely because people who are more affluent wish to live outside of city centres these days due to easier transport links and unfortunately as a rule the more affluent are of a British White Background and that is called economics..

reply to post by Truth_Hz


Utterly pathetic, pure ad hominem... and lets drag out some DM quotes for good measure.

Here's some quotes for you.

Out of 38 close family and friends, 4 friends, myself and my sister are the sole remaining residents of the borough we grew up in. The vast majority are willing to state openly that they left because they no longer felt they belonged, didn't recognise the place, objected to petrol stations & pubs being converted to "social housing" filled with immigrants on benefits.

That's a quote from me, a resident of (a formerly) nice little town in NW London.

reply to post by redandblue


If you'd actually bothered to read the post before getting your knickers in a twist you would have seen the part where I put that I had manipulated the results to my use to show how data can be twisted to fit your own little UKIP agenda.. In fact you have only managed to prove my point that people will get outraged without actually reading something properly.

The original assertion that British Whites are no longer a majority in London is also pure fabrication. That is unless you are lumping British Whites against "The rest of the world" which is ridiculous.

The Stats from the 2011 Census are in one of my previous posts and clearly Show that British Whites in London are still the significant majority...

Originally posted by IvanAstikov
Anyone claiming multiculturalism clearly doesn't work is giving a massive slap across the face and a "screw you" to every honest, hard-working immigrant who has tried to make a living here. Your readiness to point out the negatives, while totally ignoring the positives, only highlights the desperation for a scapegoat they can blame their own failings on.

Our borders should remain open to such hard-working, honest people - we welcome them with open arms, they don't want to scrounge off the British taxpayer and deserve the better life they seek - why would we want them to go back home?

It's the ones who hate us, refuse to integrate, and come here and make no effort to do anything for themselves except claim benefits - these are the ones we don't want. Do you know of any nation who would want these type of people? Because I don't know of one. They are a drain on any nation. But the UK is FORCED by the EU to take them in and give them our taxpayers hard-earned money.

Do other EU nations force their taxpayers to house, clothe and feed all EU immigrants? If so, how do their citizens feel about this? And those nations which don't give free money away to immigrants, they should try it before having an opinion on whether the UK should do it, or sit down and be quiet.

Originally posted by Truth_Hz
reply to post by redandblue

 

If you'd actually bothered to read the post before getting your knickers in a twist you would have seen the part where I put that I had manipulated the results to my use to show how data can be twisted to fit your own little UKIP agenda.. In fact you have only managed to prove my point that people will get outraged without actually reading something properly.

The original assertion that British Whites are no longer a majority in London is also pure fabrication. That is unless you are lumping British Whites against "The rest of the world" which is ridiculous.

The Stats from the 2011 Census are in one of my previous posts and clearly Show that British Whites in London are still the significant majority...

edit on 8-4-2013 by Truth_Hz because: Embellishment of Results?

edit on 8-4-2013 by Truth_Hz because: Just awful grammar that must be the result of the dumbing down of the education system because of the amount of immigrants and sharia law

Oh I read it but I still haven't seen any valid counter-arguments to any points I've already raised though, namely the ghettoisation of towns resulting in the white flight I've already stated. I've already pointed out that where I live isn't exactly affluent, my family and friends are what we would all consider to be working class and yet they've been part of the "white flight" from London that you seem adament isn't happening.

I'm sorry but take it from me, someone with first hand experience, this is what's happening. What's only going to exacerbate the problem is when people deny there's an issue in the first place.