*Video* Cops shoot unarmed man in bed 16 times, DEPT OF CORRECTIONS SAYS: “OK”

reply to post by RWESteel


This is the problem with "law enforcement" is that you believe that you are somehow on the same level as citizens. You are and should be stripped of your rights when you put on your uniform. You become tools of the law. I am sick and tired of hearing cops complain and cry that they are "in harms way" I DONT CARE, ITS WHAT WE PAY YOU FOR.

You no longer can react in a situation as a civilian would. You cannot justify killing ANY civilian. You are to protect the public, innocent people, even the guy grabbing a gun and pointing it at you is INNOCENT until due process of law, this is what the law says, this is the boundary you operate under. You swore to it, you are entrusted with it, you are paid for it.

Personally, I dont care if he killed 10 cops defending himself. Its what we pay cops for. The ONLY time (in my opinion) a cop should be allowed to use deadly force is if the person displays a threat to another civilian.

LET ME SAY THIS AGAIN. THE ONLY TIME ITS OK FOR A UNIFORMED OFFICER TO KILL A CIVILIAN IS IF THEY ARE A THREAT TO ANOTHER CIVILIAN.

Tools of the law. You are no longer a father, a mother, a son... with that uniform on, you are a tool. You work within the boundaries of the law. You chose the life of law enforcement which carries a responsibly and a liability.

Originally posted by YayMayorBee
reply to post by RWESteel

 

This is the problem with "law enforcement" is that you believe that you are somehow on the same level as citizens. You are and should be stripped of your rights when you put on your uniform. You become tools of the law. I am sick and tired of hearing cops complain and cry that they are "in harms way" I DONT CARE, ITS WHAT WE PAY YOU FOR.

You no longer can react in a situation as a civilian would. You cannot justify killing ANY civilian. You are to protect the public, innocent people, even the guy grabbing a gun and pointing it at you is INNOCENT until due process of law, this is what the law says, this is the boundary you operate under. You swore to it, you are entrusted with it, you are paid for it.

Personally, I dont care if he killed 10 cops defending himself. Its what we pay cops for. The ONLY time (in my opinion) a cop should be allowed to use deadly force is if the person displays a threat to another civilian.

LET ME SAY THIS AGAIN. THE ONLY TIME ITS OK FOR A UNIFORMED OFFICER TO KILL A CIVILIAN IS IF THEY ARE A THREAT TO ANOTHER CIVILIAN.

Tools of the law. You are no longer a father, a mother, a son... with that uniform on, you are a tool. You work within the boundaries of the law. You chose the life of law enforcement which carries a responsibly and a liability.

edit on 4-4-2013 by YayMayorBee because: (no reason given)

That was a very well written reply...

LET ME SAY THIS AGAIN. THE ONLY TIME ITS OK FOR A UNIFORMED OFFICER TO KILL A CIVILIAN IS IF THEY ARE A THREAT TO ANOTHER CIVILIAN.

That's ridiculous. So if someone points a gun at their head, they should not be allowed to do ANYTHING? What good is law enforcement then?

As a human being, if their own life is being threatened, they absolutely have the right to defend themselves. It's clear you have hate for them.. when you lower them to a level below being a human being with a right to life.

reply to post by RWESteel

About the job, nation wide FBI check for even a misdemeanor warned don't even apply. Me, basically honest left the room. Most people say let them find it, don't tell. I don't want to get the job then. That's how. And I read the articles in the paper about helping the poor felons find work and how tough it is for them. Ain't that it? I should go through some kind of rehab for my crime. of just being. what would they say? You ah just uh well I don't know. Go home and shave. or something. Just don't ask for a job at a bank. We want real criminals in there.

As for your court case, Summers vs. Whatever. Detention at a crime scene. They detained the # out of that guy in Seattle didn't they? Nuf said. I have exercised my free speech. I think it's pretty dirt. Not clean. Pretty bloody. Next time they should just blow up the building. Warrant served.

So, how many officers fired their weapons to have 16 or 20 shots, depending on which news version you hear, fly? Was it one with an extended clip/magazine? 2?, 3?, 4? If it was jsut one or two, you'd think they would've known the man was not a threat by the time they reloaded. I could see the first officer(s) continuing the firefight if they were hearing shots fired but not knowing who was firing them, possibly some other cops standing next to them. I think when shots are fired in a closed area, it is sometimes hard to discern their origination.

Either that or maybe this was a Big Failed Execution/Hit of some sort.

reply to post by RWESteel


I think your stance is wrong. Here is why, the police officer could have easily shot once to further asses the threat and then determined weather the situation warranted further action.

Thanks for your completely illogical position and i hope you receive better training. Otherwise you sir are not welcome in my town.

reply to post by onequestion

www.theppsc.org... - Gives you an insight on why they wouldn't just fire one round.

And I appreciate your criticism.

reply to post by evc1shop


One with a reload or two without a reload. As stated in the media video/article, two officers.

reply to post by YayMayorBee

Completely incorrect. While I may be a "tool of the law" I still hold my rights as an American citizen and human being. I have the inherent right of self-defense just as any civilian does.

When you say that someone pointing a gun at me is INNOCENT until proven in a court of law you are correct. But pointing a firearm at me, or a civilian is assault. My job as a tool of the law would be to place the individual under arrest for assault. In attempting to place an individual under arrest who is pointing a gun at me, and I feel threatened, I would use the means necessary to place the individual under arrest (in this case, escalation of force up to deadly force). So yeah, as part of me being a "tool of the law" I can use deadly force as I would be performing my duties of apprehension. Also, brandishing a firearm does put civilians in danger. Unlike in your video games, bullets travel for long distances and through objects, and brandishing one with the intent to fire it puts all in it's path in danger.

Oh and if you want to bring law in, you're actually incorrect in everything you said.

Lynch v. N.C. Dept. of Justice
"Law enforcement agencies and personnel have no duty to protect individuals from the criminal acts of others; instead their duty is to preserve the peace and arrest law breakers for the protection of the general public."

The U.S. Supreme Court has ruled that the Fourth Amendment to the U. S. Constitution prohibits the use of deadly force to effect an arrest or prevent the escape of a suspect unless the police officer reasonably believes that the suspect committed or attempted to commit crimes involving the infliction or threatened infliction of serious physical injury and a warning of the intent to use deadly physical force was given, whenever feasible (Tennessee v. Garner, 471 U.S. 1 (1985)).

cheers.

By the grace of God this man lived? Truly insane police state we have here. We need to demand more from our people in law. This strays so far from the constitution, we might as well live in the good ole days of the U.S.S.R. or Rwanda. Crazy man.

reply to post by RWESteel


If I were after a convicted felon accused of violent crime, I would take him as he grabbed a gallon of milk in a grocery store. Not storm his potentially well stocked home in the middle of the night like I was some kind of villain myself.

Safer for everyone, police included.

Originally posted by RWESteel
reply to post by onequestion

 

www.theppsc.org... - Gives you an insight on why they wouldn't just fire one round.

And I appreciate your criticism.

reply to post by evc1shop

 

One with a reload or two without a reload. As stated in the media video/article, two officers.

reply to post by YayMayorBee

 

Completely incorrect. While I may be a "tool of the law" I still hold my rights as an American citizen and human being. I have the inherent right of self-defense just as any civilian does.

When you say that someone pointing a gun at me is INNOCENT until proven in a court of law you are correct. But pointing a firearm at me, or a civilian is assault. My job as a tool of the law would be to place the individual under arrest for assault. In attempting to place an individual under arrest who is pointing a gun at me, and I feel threatened, I would use the means necessary to place the individual under arrest (in this case, escalation of force up to deadly force). So yeah, as part of me being a "tool of the law" I can use deadly force as I would be performing my duties of apprehension. Also, brandishing a firearm does put civilians in danger. Unlike in your video games, bullets travel for long distances and through objects, and brandishing one with the intent to fire it puts all in it's path in danger.

Oh and if you want to bring law in, you're actually incorrect in everything you said.

Lynch v. N.C. Dept. of Justice
"Law enforcement agencies and personnel have no duty to protect individuals from the criminal acts of others; instead their duty is to preserve the peace and arrest law breakers for the protection of the general public."

The U.S. Supreme Court has ruled that the Fourth Amendment to the U. S. Constitution prohibits the use of deadly force to effect an arrest or prevent the escape of a suspect unless the police officer reasonably believes that the suspect committed or attempted to commit crimes involving the infliction or threatened infliction of serious physical injury and a warning of the intent to use deadly physical force was given, whenever feasible (Tennessee v. Garner, 471 U.S. 1 (1985)).

cheers.

So, I guess my question would be this...

You cant shoot someone maybe twice to stop them?

ya know, in the knee or something..

You guys need to unload a whole clip to justify what you do?

are you that badd of a shot that you can't subdue someone with maybe two shots???

do you REALLY think everyone is out to kill you?

some of us are just people sleeping in our beds...

reply to post by baddmove


Most LEO's are not trained to fire "wounding shots" as these areas (limbs) are smaller targets. Missed shots cause casualties, whether or not the suspect is pointing a gun at your or another person.

And again, statistics show that firing under adrenaline, most officers can't even tell you how many rounds they've fired. They fire till the threat is down.

Those cops should each be sent to prision for twenty years no parole, and hard labour. No ifs or butts, and no excuses they have commitment heinous crime and if they get anything less, then the justice system has failed dismally.

Originally posted by baddmove
I have never posted about bad cops before..

But this just blew my mind..really?

Please watch the video....it's in the link..

A King County man was shot while sleeping in his bed 16 times by local police who invaded the house. Police declared they “felt threatened” by the man who was not the subject of a warrant or investigation. The Department of Corrections and the Kings County Sheriff’s office saw no problem with the random shooting stating it was in compliance with the law. One of the deputies involved in the shootings Detective Aaron Thompson received sustained violations for abuse of authority and poor performance. The man who was shot has no criminal record and has lost his ability to make a living due to his injuries. Apparently the officers were serving an arrest warrant on someone other than the actual victim and they did not ask the owner of the house if there were any weapons present or if a third-party resided there. The detectives involved did not work with other detectives who were present or contact a supervisor before attempting to serve the warrant that ended in the tragic shooting. Since the incident occurred in February, the Kings County Sheriff’s office has taken steps to provide additional trainings to deputies to avoid shooting more innocent civilians in their beds

thelibertarianrepublic.com...


Read some of the comments too..

Man, this world is going crazy.....

It would have been much safer for the police to have nailed the doors and windows shut and burned the house down with the guy inside. Don't these cops care about officer safety?

reply to post by RWESteel


Being that you work in law enforcement I'm curious if you believe that your perception of risk and my perception of risk are equal. After all, that's pretty much what this situation boils down to. The shooters had a perception of risk and they acted upon it. Had someone outside of law enforcement acted upon the same perception of risk, the legal outcome would be much different. That is why stories like this anger me so much. Not because I don't think law enforcement has a right to defend themselves. Because I think law enforcement abuses that right. "I felt threatened" isn't so much a valid explanation anymore as it is an excuse and/or catch phrase to cover for their misconduct and extreme lack of judgement. And each time it is successfully used to justify shooting unarmed, nonthreatening civilians the people get more apprehensive towards law enforcement.

reply to post by cavedweller88


really, who the F sends someone for Marijuana..lol it's a natural plant..Although I quit it, I have nothing against it as I enjoyed it. It's not even a "drug" why waste money on these peddle runners, when they should be after people for weapons and smuggling and human trafficking and murders.. Why just weed.. Sad, and now we have some dude prob half asleep getting shot up for no reason wow.. dude was prob putting his arm to either get his flash light to see who the F in his room or to go back to sleep and ignore them..

Originally posted by FraggleRock
reply to post by RWESteel

 

Being that you work in law enforcement I'm curious if you believe that your perception of risk and my perception of risk are equal. After all, that's pretty much what this situation boils down to. The shooters had a perception of risk and they acted upon it. Had someone outside of law enforcement acted upon the same perception of risk, the legal outcome would be much different. That is why stories like this anger me so much. Not because I don't think law enforcement has a right to defend themselves. Because I think law enforcement abuses that right. "I felt threatened" isn't so much a valid explanation anymore as it is an excuse and/or catch phrase to cover for their misconduct and extreme lack of judgement. And each time it is successfully used to justify shooting unarmed, nonthreatening civilians the people get more apprehensive towards law enforcement.

Awesome viewpoint!

I could go on for hours about it, and it all comes down to the same thing my new friend on ATS said -- LEOs are tools of the law. Cops are targets when it comes to violent crime, so yes our perception of risk is in fact greater than that of a civilian.

speaking literally, I don't know why any two civilian would be in another man's bedroom armed with firearms unless it was something malicious... so of course they would be held to a different standard.

And also, I agree that there are circumstances when cops abuse the "I felt threatened" line. Look at that other story about the TASERing of a pregnant woman, that's an abuse right there. But for the situation in this scenario, I believe the force was applicable.

reply to post by 0zzymand0s


Somewhat agree. If he was armed, i'd rather deal with him at his residence away from large groups of bystanders. May be safer for the cops in the public area, but the risk to the public is greater if shots start getting thrown around.

reply to post by RWESteel


Perhaps. Though - as hypotheticals go, I can't recall the last time I heard / read about a bad guy shooting up a grocery store or public place as the cops tried to arrest him.

I'm just saying. The number of stories about shootouts taking place during an arrest at a private residence are several orders of magnitude more common than shoot outs in Walmart parking lots, for example.

Be safe, and please continue to do the right thing.

reply to post by 0zzymand0s


www.policeone.com...

They generally don't get publicized outside of local media.