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Originally posted by Aloysius the Gaul
while mucking around looking at some sites I found this one that has some figures for how much water is actually in clouds.
It got me thinking -how much water is actually in a persistent contrail, and by association, how much "chemical" of some sort might be required to look similar?
For cirrus clouds, which are those that are sometimes caused by contrails and often indicate conditions are right for contrails, the figures given are 0.11 and 0.2 g/m^3 depending on ice crystal size and temperature.
So how much water is actually in a cirrus cloud of any given size?
The wiki page on cirrus clouds says they can be anywhere from 100-8000m thick, with an average of 1,500m. And it is pretty easy to see they often cover a wide area of sky.
So for the purpose of this calculation I am going to use a "contrail induced cirrus" that is 100m thick, 1km wide and 100km long - not an unsual size for a persitent contrails - that means it is 100*1000*100,000m = 10,000,000,000 cubic metres (10 Trillion cubic metres).
At the lower figure from the 1st link of 0.02 grams per cubic metre that is 10 Trillion x 0.02 grams, and then divided by 1000 to get Kg, and 1000 again to get tonnes - a "mere" 200 tons of water!
You can obviously claculate the amount for any given volume of cloud withotu much bother
If you posit that the "chemical" is lighter than water you can scale that back as much as you like.........but water is a fairly light compound and I'd be interested to see what you think might be enough lighter to supply anything even vaguely resembling 200 tons of water from a single aeroplane all the while looking like a contrail?
What do clouds have to do with contrails or chemtrails for that matter?
Originally posted by seeker1963
reply to post by Aloysius the Gaul
How about I hit you in the head with an ice cube? Then tell me water is relatively light!
What do clouds have to do with contrails or chemtrails for that matter?
Originally posted by anton74
That is 400,000 lbs, the Max takeoff weight of a 747-300 is 883,000 lbs, and the Max fuel load is roughly 351,000 lbs.
Originally posted by zilebeliveunknown
reply to post by Aloysius the Gaul
So they were exposing humans to poisoned chemical compounds, yet you found yourself to calculate how much water is in the clouds?
And I need to take this thread seriously?
Originally posted by _BoneZ_
The problem here is that clouds and contrails are water vapor, not water. You have to accumulate alot of water vapor to get very little liquid water.
edit on 27-3-2013 by _BoneZ_ because: (no reason given)
Originally posted by zilebeliveunknown
reply to post by Aloysius the Gaul
Thank you, I appreciate it.
What was strange to me is that you were in disagreement with that thread title not the fact that that woman exposed unethical military testing on citizens.
If this thread is about physics, so be it, carry on.
Originally posted by waynos
Pro-chemmie behaviour in a nutshell (cue Harry Hill )
Anton74 posts an unsourced and incorrect claim ( a genuine error i am sure) that appears to show that chemtrails can actually laid by aircraft using Gauls own calculations and gathers 3 stars in 5 minutes. Not that the stars matter at all, of course, but it does illustrate how willing some people are to just "believe" anything that props up their faithedit on 27-3-2013 by waynos because: (no reason given)
Originally posted by _BoneZ_
The problem here is that clouds and contrails are water vapor, not water.
Originally posted by Aloysius the Gaul
Originally posted by _BoneZ_
The problem here is that clouds and contrails are water vapor, not water.
no - water vapour is an invisible gas - it is in the air all around us all eth time and we cannot see it - it is what is measured as humidity.
It condenses out of air to form clouds of water in either liquid or solid (ice) form - cirrus clouds being ice, others being water droplets.