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Curiosity Rover @MarsCuriosity
Don't flip out: I just flipped over to my B-side computer while the team looks into an A-side memory issue Link to article on the NASA/JPL website
The intentional swap at about 2:30 a.m. PST today (Thursday, Feb. 28) put the rover, as anticipated, into a minimal-activity precautionary status called "safe mode." The team is shifting the rover from safe mode to operational status over the next few days and is troubleshooting the condition that affected operations yesterday. The condition is related to a glitch in flash memory linked to the other, now-inactive, computer.
28 February 2013
During Sol 200, MSL was unable to save data to part of its memory, so the rover stopped what it was doing and waited for more instructions. The engineering team at JPL is analyzing the available telemetry to determine how to recover from this anomaly, and the Sol 201 plan was cancelled. The problem does not sound very serious, but I'm not an engineer and don't know much of the details. As more telemetry is received, the experts will probably figure out what caused the problem and how to avoid it in the future. But for now we have to be patient.
Originally posted by Arken
The "Curiosity" Kill........ "The Rover"....
Originally posted by jeep3r
By the way: Does anybody happen to know (technical) details about the above mentioned swapping? And/or the potential implications? Any thoughts on this?
P.S.: Since this is an out-of-plan event, I thought it's worth a new 'general' thread on potential issues related to Curiosity's status and functional capabilities.
(without any intention to paint things black)
Originally posted by Bedlam
I guess the crappiest results would include: the B side says it's ok but isn't, and they end up with both sides shutting down; the B side has the same issue as the A side and the FFS caves in after a few days before they fix the A side; or the B side has a random fault before they fix the A side. You're operating with no safety net either way.
Originally posted by Xcathdra
Interesting...
New destination - The area Hoagland referred to as the Mars apartments (if I remeber right). Pictures were taken by the rover and released to the public showing what looks like vertical support beams.
Maybe they found something that could not be photo manipulated.. Maybe the area is so full of civilization evidence that its just impossible to hide them.
Believe it or not, cosmic rays can even affect computer memory on Earth's surface, though it's rare due to protection from Earth's atmosphere.
Originally posted by jeep3r
By the way: Does anybody happen to know (technical) details about the above mentioned swapping? And/or the potential implications? Any thoughts on this?
If the problem was caused by a cosmic ray event, chances are pretty good that a power cycle will fix the problem, kind of like rebooting your PC at home fixes a memory problem caused by a cosmic ray.
Cook said the memory in question is "hardened" to resist upsets caused by cosmic rays or high-energy particles from the sun. But it is possible an energetic particle hit in a particularly sensitive area -- the directory that tells the computer where data is stored.
"In general, there are lots of layers of protection, the memory is self correcting and the software is supposed to be tolerant to it," Cook said. "But what we are theorizing happened is that we got what's called a double bit error, where you get an uncorrectable memory error in a particularly sensitive place, which is where the directory for the whole memory was sitting.
"So you essentially lost knowledge of where everything was. Again, software is supposed to be tolerant of that. ... But it looks like there was potentially a problem where software kind of got into a confused state where parts of the software were working fine but other parts of software were kind of waiting on the memory to do something...and the hardware was confused as to where things were."
Cook said the odds of a cosmic ray or solar particle causing a problem like that were remote, but similar events have happened before.
I got the impression they can only handle single bit errors, from this:
Originally posted by Bedlam
reply to post by Arbitrageur
That sort of thing can be minimized by using longer syndromes, so that you can correct more bits. If they can only handle single bit errors, they're doing it on the cheap.
we are theorizing happened is that we got what's called a double bit error
I'm not surprised there are ways to correct double-bit errors, but I suspect they aren't too commonly used. But if engineers were going to use such an error correction system anywhere, I would have thought a Mars rover would be a good candidate.
An ECC-capable memory controller as used in many modern PCs can typically detect and correct errors of a single bit per 64-bit "word" (the unit of bus transfer), and detect (but not correct) errors of two bits per 64-bit word.
Originally posted by Xcathdra
Maybe they found something that could not be photo manipulated..
Originally posted by Xcathdra
There was the hoopla at NASA when scientists reported a find on Mars that would be one for the history books. That was followed up by NASA downplaying the information while walking it back at the same time. Then we get the NASA announcement, not to long after the above, of a change in course for Curiosity (...)
Maybe they found something that could not be photo manipulated.. Maybe the area is so full of civilization evidence that its just impossible to hide them.
I'm not sure why you're asking or what you're getting at. There's an A and a B computer and each has its own memory. I don't really know for sure, but the ideas I got from the sources I read including the above link in my previous post is that no, the information is not regularly written to the B computer memory, when the A computer is in use.
Originally posted by Soylent Green Is People
Can someone help me here. It sounds as if Curiosity has a back-up computer, but does it also have a back-up for this flash memory?
If there is a back-up for the flash memory, is the information regularly (or even constantly) being written to the back-up, or is there a way they can shuttle information to the back-up only in times of need?
Originally posted by ArMaP
Originally posted by Xcathdra
Maybe they found something that could not be photo manipulated..
Anything can be photo manipulated.