How is there a severe obesity epidemic?!

Originally posted by rickymouse
People who are obese often eat less than people who have high metabolisms and still gain weight.

I was pretty much with you until this statement. I'm calling BS. Never seen an obese person who eats less than 2,000Kcal and doesn't lose weight.

reply to post by nomnom


I see what you mean, but doesn't it very much depend where they get their calories from? Maybe they would eat less, but if the source is high fat processed junk food, they will still gain weight.

reply to post by caitlinfae


Agreed. It's more complicated than pure kcal, but I was just trying to push back from one extreme to another on his level of reasoning.

I think what matters most is the endocrine disruptors, and insulin spikes from processed foods and sugary drinks. That's why I stick to organic, whole foods.

Originally posted by nomnom

Originally posted by rickymouse
People who are obese often eat less than people who have high metabolisms and still gain weight.

I was pretty much with you until this statement. I'm calling BS. Never seen an obese person who eats less than 2,000Kcal and doesn't lose weight.

Boy, you aren't up on the science of this are you. It has to do with insulin and a whole bunch of other things. The ones you see are starving and are trying to get nutrition. These chemicals block the ability of people to make proper enzymes and to properly use amino acids. They have to eat more often to get these things and the fructose in foods along with the carbs is stored because the body thinks the person is starving. I've been studying all this for a long time and there are people who have been studying it a lot longer. I struggled to believe what is really going on in our western diet and couldn't fathom that our government would allow it. I guess Senators and other government officials aren't the smartest cookies in the world.

Originally posted by caitlinfae
reply to post by DrHammondStoat

 

Do you mean $2-2.50 a day? Sorry to be picky, but I'm in Europe, and it would be interesting to compare notes on this. And I totally agree with your comment on a vegetarian diet, with minimal dairy products. But that's a whole other debate!

yes, dollars, i couldn't find the symbol on my keyboard

Originally posted by rickymouse
I struggled to believe what is really going on in our western diet and couldn't fathom that our government would allow it. I guess Senators and other government officials aren't the smartest cookies in the world.

Maybe they're not, but maybe they also they know exactly what they're doing with our food supply. They want control of us, and the easiest way to do it is with something we have to have....food.

Personally, I found one of the biggest differences occurred when I stopped eating commercial bread and started making my own home made spelt bread. Absolutely delicious and no more pain in my gut or my joints. I think it's bromides that are added to bread, along with other things, and perhaps that's where my problem lay.

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Ok...thank you. I thought that's what you meant, but wanted to check. That works out at about £3.20 a day for two adults here in the UK, or £22.40 a week. It would be a tight budget, but totally possible, and in fact is very little less than I budget for my partner and myself, and we eat really really well. No processed foods, no meat (*very* occasionally for him, not me), almost no dairy now for health reasons mostly, but load of veggies, wholegrains and rice, free range eggs, lunches made to take to work to avoid the junk food thing when away from home, and everything is home cooked. I would love to see the grocery bills of people who live on corporate food and give them a makeover!

Originally posted by nomnom
reply to post by caitlinfae

 

Agreed. It's more complicated than pure kcal, but I was just trying to push back from one extreme to another on his level of reasoning.

I think what matters most is the endocrine disruptors, and insulin spikes from processed foods and sugary drinks. That's why I stick to organic, whole foods.

I eat organic if I can get it. Endocrine disruptors are of many kinds Certain foods we eat are natural endocrine disruptors, take for instant spinach. Raw spinach wasn't eaten much by people much back when I was young. It has some bad properties to it including the wrong type of iron, high oxalates, it blocks iodine absorption and utilization, and it contains a lot of Phytic acid which can strip minerals out of the body. Calcium can take care of the oxalates so spinach dip isn't a problem with causing clotting. Some people have the ability to fix the iron problems but half the people don't. This leafy vegetable along with others in the same kind can actually cause many more problems to people than it benefits. The high magnesium can be bound to the phytic acid so it does not really count towards the magnesium needed by the body to process fats. This can actually cause a lessening of magnesium so that the body can't burn the fat. There are hundreds of these things that are misconceptions that are floating around in our society. Cooking spinach for about ten minutes gets rid of all these problems.

We used to have creamed spinach when I was a kid, the cooking and adding of the milk got rid of most of the problems. Throwing away what our ancestors knew is the problem here. It is not always the food but the way we prepare it that has changed. Ask an old Italian if spaghetti should be eaten eldente.

reply to post by fireysnowman29


I do believe a healthy diet mixed with excersice, even just walking around the block is better than running around a virtual world in a video game (Get off the Dupa). You are correct to an extent when saying Laziness. But if Obesity is a disease then it should be able to be traced to a specific gene, am I right? However not all Obese people are unhealthy and not all skinny people are healthy as well. See the contradiction? So is it an epidemic? Meh, this thread would say yes but i'm not so sure.

In all reality I would like to point out they might have a solution for this.... And it might sound like a joke.... But someday we will find out~

www.abovetopsecret.com...

Originally posted by Quibbler

While I worked as a pharmacy technician it blew my mind how FAT everyone getting their medicine was. Everybody was on some sort of blood pressure medicine, cholesterol, diabetes, etc. There would be people coming through the drive-thru to pick up their heart medication yelling for me to hurry up as they stuffed french fries down their face with their grubby little fingers. Even our medicine is enabling these people to continue their laziness.

I'm just not a fan of fat people, because from my experience 90% of those people bring it upon themselves and have no intention of fixing the problem.

Thats pretty much what I witnessed while I worked as a pharm tech. Between the blatant drug abuse (narcotics) and obvious lack of personal care, fitness, or dieting it drove me sick to the stomach to be part of it. A year and $2,000 in schooling, never again. At least I didnt go into conventional medicine, which also is based on drugs, not healthy diet and active lifestyle.

Lots of fat/obese people swear they hardly eat anything, yet they're always eating processed foods so it doesn't add up. Would an secret alcoholic admit they drink much? America is CONSUMPTION driven and as peoples' liberties are taken away and half their paychecks go toward depopulating the world, they would rather look the other way and occupy themselves with compulsive pleasureful animal activities including treating themselves to tasty foods, alcohol, narcotics, porn, sex, video games, you name it all that cater to the self.

One thing though, I've never met a native american that's obese! Sometimes fat-cheeked or big-boned but never as fat as your average new american. What a shame!

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Because Food is a " True Friend " to some People . It Never Talks Back when you are looking for someone or something to Feel Your Pain . A Form of Insanity IMO............

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Main reason IMHO kids dont go out to play anymore and people sit typing on the internet too much. Then theres all the genetically modified food products covered in all sorts of pesticides and all the added E numbers.

reply to post by caitlinfae


People with a high metabolism can eat more goitinerogens than people with low metabolisms and it does help to make them more civil and fit into societies better. The problem comes when telling people with low metabolisms that these foods and food chemistry is good for them. If a person doesn't make enough stomach acid or if their liver function is low naturally or through their diet, their body temp often drops below 98 degrees. My normal temp is ninety seven. At the lower temperature less enzymes can be formed. Enzymes are necessary to process foods. This limits a persons diet a little unless companion foods and herbs/spices are incorporated into the diet.

Lower body temperature helps to extend lifespan. Antioxidents often help lower body temp and extend life. The problem is that if a person has a naturally low body temperature or problems with the thyroid, which can be adjuvated by eating goiterinogens, their body temp goes even lower. Moderate exercise or activities raises body temp though so these people with the low metabolism benefit greatly with jobs where they move around. There are a whole lot of vitamins that are reliant on proper metabolism that can be helped by a little moving around. Nowadays a person does nothing but sit in their chair at work. No trips to the file cabinet or xerox machine to give them some movement. This is bad for people with this different type of metabolism. They need a job where they move. Saunas help as long as a person's cooling system doesn't kick in and cool them down and further deplete their nutrients.

As you can see, this is very complex, it is not a simple thing and everyone needs to find their own special nitch. My wife thinks I go overboard on broccoli and spinach. I use these as examples. At the same time she will not eat raw spinach and brocolli and hates cauliflower. I know if I forced her to eat these she would lose her energy, she just thinks she doesn't like them. Why doesn't she like them is the question. Her subconscious knows that her energy level drops and tells her no. We are being told to disregard what our bodies are telling us today, something that is totally wrong.

There are a lot of chemicals of the antibiotic/antioxidant class sprayed on fresh veggies. These miticides hurt people with low metabolism. Washing them doesn't work either because they soak into the veggies, I read actual research articles on this. Dropping the veggi into boiling water for a minute helps a lot with this and the veggies sometimes taste better as the taste of the chemical is dispersed into the water or neutralized. I am not satisfied with complaining, I am trying to fix things so they can be healthy, this takes lots of experimentation and research. These chemicals aren't in most organic veggies but organic chemistry is used that has similar problems. Our bodies are more accustomed to this organic chemistry though and know how to better deal with it.

My intent is to make people aware that this is happening, not to rant. We can learn to fix our food instead of fearing it. It may mean a little extra work but good health is worth it. It may mean that you have to pay attention to how food effects you but it is worth it. To do this you need to research a lot of things and not jump to conclusions. I have made my share of mistakes testing on myself and realize that there are differences between men and women also. Men need more niacin and women need more Leucine. Leucine counteracts niacin which is a nitrogen compound. Nicotinic acid can give afib type events if consumed too much but eating food containing leucine can regulate this. I can go on with a lot of mistakes but this one caused my wife some grief and took a couple of grand in copay from our wallets. Too much chili peppers and hot food can cause temporary afib like symptoms. I cooked she ate and when she made chili because she started to get used to the increased niacin she added to much chili powder which put her over the edge. Herbs and spices are strong, they are medicine and medicine can cause problems. I won't make that mistake again, it was a learning experience. She was given a medicine for the afib and quit it within a week when her legs started to swell. She does not need the medicine. Remember to study Leucine.....It sounds like lucy a womans name, is that a coincidence?

Well you asked and this video in Satire is you will all see but I see some truth behind the reasoning...

Interesting thread.

Link below
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S&F
Regards, Iwinder

Originally posted by nomnom

Originally posted by rickymouse
People who are obese often eat less than people who have high metabolisms and still gain weight.

I was pretty much with you until this statement. I'm calling BS. Never seen an obese person who eats less than 2,000Kcal and doesn't lose weight.

What a joke! My mother, myself, and numerous others in my family. I have liver disease and put on weight just over ago. Now I metabolize really slowly and a meal often seems to take 2 days. Eat just fruit and a bite of cheese, the maybe a sandwich, quite frequently.

And the ones who can eat more than 2000 are very very thin with fast metabolisms, ie, my 6 2 son who is only 150 lbs, and eats anything that moves or is in front of him without noticeable weight gain. My father used to be like this until old age. He's still trim just not skinny.

reply to post by Iwinder

On a more serious note, I believe it is almost all due to poor diet (additives that we cannot control) and then the remainder of the blame is lack of outdoor activity.

I remember about 12 years or so ago bitching about bikes and skateboards all over the place while trying to drive on the local streets.....

Now that I have the streets to myself I find myself wondering where the hell are all the kids in the neighbourhood?

I saw this coming a while back when I saw a huddle of very young kids in the street all standing in a circle texting each other...

These would be the kids I would bitch about years ago now I find I miss watching the street hockey/ basketball/ soccer/ football/ or just tossing a Frisbee.

Everyone here knows about the Russian dash cams and the videos they show for all to see, now take a close look at how many obese people you see on these videos.

Especially when the weather is nice and they are wearing tees and jeans, check out the crowd in the background.

Lots of muscle tone and ribs showing as it should be.

Regards, Iwinder

Originally posted by Gazrok
Lots of reasons all combining towards it...

1) High fat, high carb foods are cheaper. It costs a fortune to shop healthy at the grocery store. Lean meats are twice as much, fresh fruits and veggies go bad quicker, etc.

2) Soda. Our culture is so geared for soda being the "go-to" drink. I've switched to water and using water enhancers for flavor. Luckily, this is starting to trend, so should help.

3) Fast food. Face it, I can get a meal at McDonalds for as much or less than I can buy the ingredients to make a meal. It's cheap and convenient, and in our quick-paced world, an easy solution. But, look at the fat and calories of an average fast food meal, and it will shock you.

4) Restaurant Portions. They are enormous, for the most part. Having been raised to "clean my plate", it's tricky for me not to eat all of what I order. Solution, get a to-go box upfront and put some in there. Out of sight, out of mind. (and lunch for the next day).

All of these factors combine to make us fat.

while it is true that buying higher quality foods is more expensive, you tend to eat less because you get "full" quicker. Soda, oh god why! cutting soda out of a diet has drastic benefits!

as for fast food and restaurant portions/calories/fat content. it is absolutely sickening

Originally posted by Tardacus

Originally posted by zonetripper2065
Its the diet, fatty foods are cheap. It's all people can afford.

yep exactly, it`s the garbage that we are sold that is called food.
The "food" that we eat today is less nutritious than it was just 50 years ago. even the fruits and vegetables we eat are 30-50 percent less nutritious.
All the fat and artificial garbage that is in our food today leaves our bodies feeling malnourished and hungry so we eat more food.Eating more of the same fat filled artificial filled food just makes us fatter but does very little to make our bodies feel less malnourished.
I once read that modern america is the only society in the history of the world in which obese people suffer from malnutrition.
That almost seems like an oxymoron doesn`t it? using the words obese and malnutrition in the same sentence to describe a person.

edit on 19-2-2013 by Tardacus because: (no reason given)

do you have a source for that? the 30-50% less nutrition that is i would love to read up on that!

Originally posted by sulaw
reply to post by fireysnowman29

 

You are correct to an extent when saying Laziness. But if Obesity is a disease then it should be able to be traced to a specific gene, am I right? However not all Obese people are unhealthy and not all skinny people are healthy as well. See the contradiction? So is it an epidemic? Meh, this thread would say yes but i'm not so sure.

In all reality I would like to point out they might have a solution for this.... And it might sound like a joke.... But someday we will find out~

www.abovetopsecret.com...

Yes, this is an epidemic -
a : excessively prevalent
: affecting or tending to affect a disproportionately large number of individuals within a population, community, or region at the same time
www.merriam-webster.com...

reply to post by Unity_99


You're all sick, or freaks of nature.

Don't you also have thyroid issues?

You can't use extreme examples to try and disprove a general rule.

It's nonsensical.