No Such Thing As Evolution

A constant downside to the theory of evolution is the creation of the eye. If we came from a cell how is it possible for us to see? Any doctor can tell you that there are many components that make up the eye. Without one you can't see, every part of the eye is just as important as the other. For us to be able to see all of the parts of the eye must have came together at one exact time. Then all of the sudden we went from not seeing to seeing???

[edit on 4-11-2004 by John bull 1]

I don't believe in the idea of a great creator. To me there is absolutely no proof. That aside... I don't believe in "evolution" either. Things don't evolve to get better. There are genetic mutations. If the mutation is bad.... like if an Antilope all the sudden mutates and has stubs instead of long legs then it will become an easy victim for a lion and the animal will become extinct. Bad mutations will most often result in an extinction. A mutation that ends up being good will be called evolution. Imagine an upright creature that has a mutation that cases its digits to become deformed. Instead of all being lined up one is deformed and rests more on the side of the paw (or hand in this case). This deformation gets called a thumb. This mutation happened to benefit the subject. While stub legs on an animal that needs speed to avoid a predator would be a bad thing. Who knows how many species have become extinct due to bad luck mutations.

Marc... remember that bats are blind but that doesn't stop them from getting around. Life doesn't hinge on the ability to see like we do.

Q: I don't believe in evolution.
Marc
If you don't believe in evolution what is your theory then?
I must say that I do beleive in evolution.
And here is my proof

Source:www.bible.ca...

Originally posted by Indy
Marc... remember that bats are blind but that doesn't stop them from getting around. Life doesn't hinge on the ability to see like we do.

Bats arent blind that is a myth.

As for the eye proving that there is a God.

If it is so hard to believe that something like the eye could come from nothing what about God?

That something that is all powerful and all knowing and can do ANYTHING just suddenly appeared?

Did it come from nothing?

[edit on 30-10-2004 by Amuk]

I have always said that we were a low species in earth a littler higher in the animal kindom when for some reason a higher being tampered with us to gave us intelligence and bring us more closer to them.

Yes I believe that the only evolution that happend with us human was force by other higher beings.

And some may called "God, Creator or supreme being" or perhaps just Alliens from another planet, who knows.

Perhaps a bat isn't truly blind but there are blind animals out there. Like the Western Blind Snake for example. Or Blind Dolphins. I am sure there are plenty of animals that don't see or don't see as we do. Some sense body heat. Some go by sound. There are a number of different ways to things to survive without "seeing".

Hmmmm....
The eye starts out as a device by which to detect light. Very basic. Later, a mutation happens that causes the basic eye to see some motion with the light. Later on down the line, the eye has a mutation that causes some detail to be presented. See where Im going with this? We all came frome single cell orginisms from the ocean. It just so happens IMO that the line we came from got the luck of the draw. Just imagine. If we didnt evolve the way we did, the world may have been ran by kangaroo people

The Eye did not just appear over night. It happened over millions of years. If you want to talk about complicated body parts, research the brain. Waaaaay more complicated than the eye

Evolution: A continuing process of change from one state or condition to another or from one form to another.

Not exist?

Can you say:
tadpole & catepiller
to
frog & butterfly?

Evolution.

Misfit

Originally posted by Misfit
Evolution: A continuing process of change from one state or condition to another or from one form to another.

Not exist?

Can you say:
tadpole & catepiller
to
frog & butterfly?

Evolution.

Misfit

Ouch! Even shorter than my explaination

The evolution theory is as feasible as a dissasembled 747 randomly being put back together by the wind and ready for flight or a gazillion monkeys typing on gazillion computers pulling out a paragraph of Hamlet

[edit on 30-10-2004 by Vladtepes]

Originally posted by Marc11
A constant downside to the theory of evolution is the creation of the eye. If we came from a cell how is it possible for us to see? Any doctor can tell you that there are many components that make up the eye. Without one you can't see, every part of the eye is just as important as the other. For us to be able to see all of the parts of the eye must have came together at one exact time. Then all of the sudden we went from not seeing to seeing???

This is one of the classics of creationists' arguments, and it's been so thoroughly debunked that most of the creationists advise not using it in any argument on evolution.

It relies on your not reading about or not knowing anything about how organisms develop. It relies on your not reading anything about fossils, paleontology, geology, or much about science.

It also relies on your being so against the idea of evolution that you haven't read anything about any research or writing done since Darwin's book came out, some 150 years ago and that science hasn't progressed any in that time period.

It also relies on your believing that science is ineffective because after we make a discovery, we test it, modify it (the areas that are wrong), and build on it as we did with the notion that "diseases are caused by bad air." It puts science as being weaker because (unlike religion) it doesn't make a statement and stick by it, but constantly tests and therefore expands and sometimes overturns other theories.

Those are pretty bad assumptions.


With that kind of assumption, the first time the creationist comes up against someone who knows their science, they get a rather rude shock as they get pummeled by evidence (including cases where a species (the blind cave fish) will lose its eyes because of the environment.)

I'll just add a few points:
* The time span is over six billion years. Organisms didn't "just suddenly" develop anything. Humans can breed dogs with almost no nose on their faces (bulldogs)... why is it so impossible that natural selection might do something similar if there was an advantage to lifeforms that had this feature?
* Primitive light sensing mechanisms are present in a lot of life forms (including the very simplest ones.)
* Eyes do get more complex as you go to more advanced life forms.
* Bats, as others have said, most certainly do see and they do have eyes. You can see them here:
sres.anu.edu.au...

Here's the basics of what you need to understand in order to be able to debate this topic well:
www.talkorigins.org...

And the common (and not really used any more) first approaches to debating the topic by creationists
www.talkorigins.org...


Many of us here are very familiar with the TalkOrigins site... it's used by almost everybody in doing Apologetics (religious argument... not "apologizing") and one you should be familiar with if you're debating the topics.


[edit on 30-10-2004 by Byrd]

Well byrd, either you scared them off, or they are really doing some research to refute your evidence

Originally posted by Vladtepes
The evolution theory is as feasible as a dissasembled 747 randomly being put back together by the wind and ready for flight or a gazillion monkeys typing on gazillion computers pulling out a paragraph of Hamlet

[edit on 30-10-2004 by Vladtepes]

And is more believable that a creator that can do anything just suddenly appeared?

The arguement that most creationests use to disprove evolution disproves a creator even more.

Just think if it is almost impossible for a simple one celled creature to evolve what are the odds of a allpowerful creator suddenly appearing?

Wheither one believes in evolution or other means is up for debate, but the concept of Adam and Eve is an excuse and not a reason. There is just no logic to it.

I'll go with evolution...
Much easier to believe or explain than the Creator just appearing. (as some of you have already stated).
Start with pond scum and you end up with humans.

God, IMO, can't exist. The reason for this?.. Who came before Him? Who created God?



And, (not to change the subject) while we're at it...
If nothing was in the universe before the Big Bang, where the heck did that one tiny speck of matter, the one that started this train ride, come from?

Oh, that's right, God must have put it there...

Assassin..... if you stop to think deeply about your post it will make your mind implode I think as humans its hard for us to grasp the idea that something couldn't have simply existed without being created. Just like with God. If he exists. Where did he come from? If you are a scientist you really can't believe the laws of physics and the big bang theory. At some point something would have had to have been created. But in physics you can't create energy or matter. You can only change it. We will probably never know or understand how things started. It could just be that everything has always been here and it just goes through changes.

no one created God, he is eternal. its hard for us to grasp that as we ourselves and all we see is created BUT God is the Father of creation..the eternal creator.

"In the beginning was the word and the word was with God and the word WAS God."

as for evolution there is more proof of God than proof of evolution. evolution is in fact a belief system which can also be called a RELIGION. you need FAITH to believe in it just like anyother belief system. the problem with evolution is that indirectly it leads to the final though that we ourselves are the only "gods" or that "god" is a creation of our own mind.

two things to remember; 1) in eden (and yes it did exist) we were deceived by a very powerful lie..that we could be like and equal with God. this again reinforces evolution....its another lie....it may sound harsh but thats what it is. humanism in itself is shallow skeptical cynical and a bottomless pit, it begins and ends with US.....meaning it aint that great!!! look around you...look at the world we have created with the evil within us planted by satan at the dawn of time. not very pretty.since eden we have been estranged from God due to sin...through one man sin entered the world (Adam) BUT through ONE MAN (Jesus) sin has been defeated. the end of the age is actually the end of the age of man....or his evil rule on earth under the bondage of satan. the coming kingdom of heaven is Gods kingdom on earth where sin and satan are excluded and expelled into everylasting punishment.

2) "the fool has said in his heart there is no God" creation itself gives enough testimony that there IS INDEED A GOD...a God of PERFECTION and LOVE. the earth and all living things are beautiful, they carry the work of God..they are his creation...this did not just "happen" like marc said just take a look at the human eye!

Originally posted by Indy
Assassin..... if you stop to think deeply about your post it will make your mind implode

I think as humans its hard for us to grasp the idea that something couldn't have simply existed without being created. Just like with God. If he exists. Where did he come from? If you are a scientist you really can't believe the laws of physics and the big bang theory. At some point something would have had to have been created. But in physics you can't create energy or matter. You can only change it. We will probably never know or understand how things started. It could just be that everything has always been here and it just goes through changes.

EXACTLY!!!

Originally posted by TruthStrgnrThanFiction

as for evolution there is more proof of God than proof of evolution.

And what proof would that be?

OH yea the Bible said it