Has the USA Government been infiltrated

Now before someone shouts at me and throws stones at me.
I am "Speculating here"

I am from Scotland, UK as most know. It is like a village country here.
We have a big City, I am on the outskirts.

Sometimes when I watch the American news, and remember back to Ronald Regan time, I ask myself "What changed"
USA used to have pride, it was respected. Now it stomps about the planet demanding freedom it won't give to its own people.

As I say I am only bored and looking at things from a different way here. I have no proof other than what I see. How can a country change so much? Did the internet cause this? We now all know stories more, we get them fast and hardly a trick is missed, could it be that? USA has always been like this, its just the internet has spawned new breed of people who look at things to much (Like I am doing here?)

Has the USA been taken over by some other country, whatever.
I have this picture. It is a man called Robin Cook, he was a serving Member of Parliament in the UK. He was from my City, Edinburgh. I went to school with his son. He said this:




He died under suspicious ways a year or so later. He thought America and the UK were making up an enemy.

I am just wonder if anyone else here has had this thought, or has any input into my thinking

Do your best ATS

Peace

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I don't think that there is any question whatsoever that the United States Government has been infiltrated by a variety of foreign and domestic entities.

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Yes, the US Govt. has been infiltrated by lying, greedy scumbags. While other countries might contribute to the scumbaggery, we have no shortage of them here to get the job done.

And things were not peachy back in the Reagan days. The mess was just hidden a little better.

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Well, this has been theorized about since 9/11, if not even before that.

Al-Qaeda was apparently a CIA database...


Not much more to say on the subject...we can only speculate as to the veracity of these statements. I certainly wouldn't put it past the intelligence circles. It's the way of the war today...you fight and wage wars on invisible enemies, ones that you really don't want to beat. You want them alive and well, to provide the opposition for the...uh...I'm starting to get sick just writing about it.

Our government is like a misguided sheep. One with several ropes attached to it. They believed in the wrong people again, the kind that put us into the last depression. We need to learn to examine history and remember that people do not change that much. We are not better than our recent ancestors even though it is implied to the young in school. We have become a spoiled culture thinking that we are entitled to things we do not need and because of this waste a lot of resources and create fake value. This happened before and it appears we did not learn from the last time. Our government has allowed too much risk to be incorporated into it and has thrown away common sense in it's actions to acquire votes. Pork barrel spending has to go back to only help those who really need it. Don't stimulate an economy just to show growth. Greed causes people to lose everything and even though the result is not immediate, it does eventually occur.

The people running these big corporations in America often do things that jeopardize the investors money and buy approval from the government by supporting the candidates so that their decisions do not fail. This makes the government look the other way but big business is a necessary part of this country and many are not really solvent even though the books look good. Sooner or later people will find out that their investments are not secure....The hard way.

I believe the US government is currently being taken in a political coup.

The military has been demasculinated, and the process is continuing. How many Generals and Admirals have been removed? I have lost count. We can no longer refuel our ships due to the cost, yet we can send millions in aide to the muslim bro hood?

The nuclear arsenal is being taken down, the armed forces are facing dramatic cuts, weakening our defences, military pay is being threatened, and soldiers health insurance may go up even higher, forcing out even more.

There have been appointments in upper levels of government of people either in, or with ties to, the Muslim Brotherhood. At least 6 members, one in DHS.

Extreme leftists, and progressives have been working their magik on the populace in the name of the government, pushing political ideals as the norm, radically changing societal views of the young and impressionable, all the while using race and class wars to conquer and divide the people, rather than unite them.

They tell us the economy is recovering, yet we are on the verge of financial collapse. More people than ever on unemployment that has been extended yet again, food stamps, and Social Security Disability, which us draining resources and fracturing local economies.

The Fed is infinity pumping money out, falsely buying our own debt, and falsely propping up the stock market, giving the illusion of a recovering economy.

Banks are telling you who you can and can not do business with, what you can and can not sell online, at the direction of the media.

Almost all major network news outlets have admitted to "falling in line with the Whitehouse", and becoming staterun media, dictated to what they do and do not run by the government. Admitting to covering up stories and withholding information from the public for up to two years on major news and information.

I could go on, but that is enough to prove the country is in a political coup. Being taken over from within, with the approval and accomplice of over half the nation.

Yes every hour of every day, by fluent English speaking foreigners pretending to be us and telling us what's best for us and saying we need a revolution everyday!

BTW, I'm not American, I'm British, but I get the feeling this is happening a lot.

Yes, the 4th Reich has given themselves absolute control.

Under the guise of "Controlling Spending" they proceeded to gut DOD and create a couple military "SuperBases" ran by skeleton crews. They eliminated ALL the Federal Civil Servants in DOD and replaced them with that new Personnel System that allows them to immediately Hire and Fire people....putting their "Yes" men into position that will do what they say or else.

They eliminated ALL the senior NCO's....leaving E-7's running the shows whom are....."Yes Men"...and will do what they are told and lack the rank to force anyone to follow regulations/laws.

Now that they have taken complete control over DOD......America doesn't exist anymore.

All the old senior folks who would ensure law/regulations were followed.......are all gone.


Foreign Operators have been working diligently for decades using tactics to get their people into the top places controlling the money/power....and now they're power is ABSOLUTE.

Last thing left is to disarm the populace...then slaughter them. With the weapons systems America's Defense Industry has created.....they're dealing with the populace right now.

America no longer exists. American's shouldn't have let them build all those automated weapons systems which took people out of the equations....took away Americans jobs....gave a small group ultimate control to decimate the world.

I have absolutely no doubts that they did make up these unknown terrorist groups, at the very least they have created a generic name that they can use to label anyone who disagrees with them.
We the people have no way of verifying or debunking their claims of the existence of these terrorist organizations because we don`t have the intelligence gathering capabilities that "they" have, so we just have to take their word for it.
They hold all the power and as I said we have no way of confirming or debunking anything they say so they can make up anything they want to.
The war on terror can last indefinitely if they want it to merely by saying " oh we just discovered a heretofore unknown terrorist group the war on terror will continue for at least another 30 years" and we have no way of confirming if there really is such a group of if they just made it up.

Basically they have absolute power to decide when and if the war on terror will end and we have to trust them absolutely to use that power honestly.
Nobody is above temptation so when you give someone or a group of people absolute power there will be lies and corruption.

Even if there are no terrorist attacks for the next 50 years the war on terror will continue if they claim that there are terrorist groups still out there in the world somewhere and we have no way of confirming if these groups do in fact exist.even if they do exist we have no way of confirming what their strength and capabilities are we have to take their word for it and hope that they are being completely honest and have no ulterior motives.

They were wrong or deliberately lied about Iraq and WMD so there is no reason to think that they aren`t wrong or deliberately lying about the number, size and capabilities of these unconfirmed terrorist groups that they claim exist.

Yes, I do think people are more gullible today because they spend too much time in the fantasy world of movies, the internet,music etc.They are easily mislead to believe things that are highly improbable because they have little real world experiences. What might be probable and likely in a movie or on the internet is more often than not extremely improbable in the real world.

I think few americans have traveled outside of their country, few of them have traveled outside of their own states, few of them have ever lived in another state from the one that they were born in, few americans have extensive real world experiences that would give them the insight to spot BS when they see it.
I think a lot of americans spend more time each day in the fantasy world of movies, the internet and music than they spend in the real world with real people.
I think a lot of americans have been conditioned accept the unlikely and improbable to be normal,so when something highly improbable happens they see it as normal and don`t call BS.

During the 80`s it seemed like there was more trust and transparency in government, whether that is true or not I don`t know but it certainly seemed that way to me.

WOW (And other such emotional outcries)

I did not expect this response, When I say infiltrated I was meaning from the Middle East, Israel etc. Old lads like Ron Paul just don't get the platform

Thanks for the debate so far.

Shaun

Originally posted by shauny
WOW (And other such emotional outcries)

I did not expect this response, When I say infiltrated I was meaning from the Middle East, Israel etc. Old lads like Ron Paul just don't get the platform

Thanks for the debate so far.

Shaun

Yeah and unforunatley its all true. The U.S is going down and they know it. All this craziness that has been out in the open for all to see is because the country is on life support. They are pushing new laws and now taking an axe to the constitution because they know there will be alot of pissed off gun toting americans here soon. It isnt going to be pretty and they know it.

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Yes it has. I believe every country has been. It is more noticeable with the US, because we have been functioning under the guise of autonomy. Your country has been also. It's just not noticeable because it has never been viewed as an autonomous country to begin with.

Originally posted by yamammasamonkey
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Yes it has. I believe every country has been. It is more noticeable with the US, because we have been functioning under the guise of autonomy. Your country has been also. It's just not noticeable because it has never been viewed as an autonomous country to begin with.

I don't know about the UK mate

Britain is a Masonic basin, always has been always will be.
Nothing would get past that. The serving Government/Cabinet.
I could name them and their lodges around the UK.
Well know secret if you like.
Always been a masonic thing here, with the Queen.
We built an empire by stealing countries.

Peace

I dont think this can happen we got the biggest army in the world! use your head people. america is number one and aint nothin gonna change it.

Originally posted by bigfootgurl
I dont think this can happen we got the biggest army in the world! use your head people. america is number one and aint nothin gonna change it.

You seem like a lone voice here. Sadly
I think the USA has left itself wide open for this, has it happened?
It could. The Federal Reserve is open to anyone.

And where is the Gold from Fort Knox. Serious Question.
It's gone.

Peace

No doubt in my mind that we have been taken over, speaking as an American.

I'll just watch and see how this plays out...I have my eyepatch and spandex camopants at the ready in case we go to Escape to NY/LA times.

Originally posted by bigfootgurl
I dont think this can happen we got the biggest army in the world! use your head people. america is number one and aint nothin gonna change it.

You haven't actually. You have the worlds 6th largest army:-

www.mapsofworld.com...

Originally posted by shauny


I am just wonder if anyone else here has had this thought...

Um... Orwell did quite some time ago:



Emmanuel Goldstein

Emmanuel Goldstein is a character in George Orwell's classic dystopian novel Nineteen Eighty-Four. He is the number one enemy of the state according to the Party. He is depicted as the head of a mysterious (and possibly fictitious) anti-party organization called "The Brotherhood" and to have written the book The Theory and Practice of Oligarchical Collectivism. Despite being a key part of the story, he is only actually seen and heard on telescreen, and may in fact be nothing more than a useful propaganda fabrication of the Ministry of Truth.
en.wikipedia.org...

How soon we forget.

The US, and many other governments, have been infiltrated by members of the capitalist class in order to shape society to their benefit.

In fact it has been like that at least since WWII.

Before WWII the working class was very organised and in solidarity, and mostly socialist (no not liberal), and were a serious threat to the establishment. There was a workers revolution in Spain in 1936, which would have spread across Europe and the world. A huge threat to the establishment capitalist class. WWII decimated the working class, and post war the establishment, through the media, conditioned the working class to become social climbers and individualists, in order to keep them from becoming a threat again.

The establishment knows it can get away with things now, because as a divided and passive population we are weak and powerless against them.

We haven't been taken over by anyone.

We go willingly into a larger Global Order

The Amusing thing about this thread is the mention of Regan the man who negotiated this with Russia, Why did they drop the wall? For their health?

Come on everyone... we sat there for decades with France, Britain, Russia and China atop the UN... how long does anyone think those diplomats could meet weekly in NY for without becoming friends, without a higher order of the day prevailing? Before they realized they ruled the world...TOGETHER

What does anyone think a New World Order means?

These changes? SOME Americans don't like... we are just forming a system that matches up. Equalizing the monetary system means lowering the US standard and the dollar.... global banking means free markets in China and Russia... We are standardizing to one another... becoming more socialist. Our pals don't want guns flowing over ..there is a reason behind every bit of it....

We weren't taken over

WE conceptualized the idea in the first place and volunteered. It was Regan who got the Soviets on board... Clinton the Chinese