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Show me a true "anarchist" and I'll show you someone who still lives w/ Mommy. Anyone who lives in the real World for any length of time will quickly figure out how delusional a system it is. .
but there have been many many threads on the 2nd and I cant remember one time a person saying they were some shade of left but didnt support the current weapons ban proposal.
I watch carefully and my gut tells me this vain of thinking is simply a new twist to the left stratagem
now that they have seen how hard headed the 2nd amendment supporters are they are trying to find the proper tone with witch to sway those crazy gun nuts.
I can understand that some liberals would seek a sort of absolution for their departure from the foundations of the republic and that insurance to our liberites the constitution.
The noble quest that has been the foundation of every rise to power of every bloodsucking mass killer form Hitler to Pot
Considering the lame results that background checks have demonstrated thus far in their efforts to keep guns out of the hands of felons, that such an argument would be considered in the realm of reasonable discusion only shows that logic has escaped from our grasp here.
Anarchists promote Chaos from Order
Hmm... What do Anarchists do after they Win their Hard Fought Revolution ?
....Put away their XBox and go to Bed.........
Originally posted by Logarock
Originally posted by jsipprell
Originally posted by Logarock
Originally posted by jsipprell
reply to post by Kali74
Almost all of the obviously stereotypical "right-leaning" pro-gun (and by that I specifically don't mean everybody pro-2nd amendment) posts on ATS that I've seen recently show extreme symptoms of psychological "splitting"; that is dividing an issue/population/etc up into two extremes (black/white, right/left, good/evil) and insisting those are the only two that exist in a meaningful way. It's a very fallacious way of viewing the world.
I consider myself fairly liberal, perhaps a left leaning-centrist. That means I'm automatically bait to have insults hurled at me on many ATS boards these days.
Very clever post. I can understand that some liberals would seek a sort of absolution for their departure from the foundations of the republic and that insurance to our liberites the constitution. Considering one must be fallacious in their views, that being the underpinnings, to attempt to subvert the document while shielding this intent with "meaningful" views of the world not yet know....but in fairness.... in the noble quest for a utopia....The noble quest that has been the foundation of every rise to power of every bloodsucking mass killer form Hitler to Pot....and these foundations you would make it easier for such men to lay with your confounded dissimilation of the word freedom.
Yeah. I claim Godwin's Law; especially in light of exactly the type of absolutism I was alluding to.
Thats not absolutism my man thats liberty speaking. You have stated your position and I mine. Still want to talk?
Originally posted by sealing
I'm liberal, I'm for back ground checks and for the right
to own guns. Back ground checks are probably a good idea,
don't most of you agree?
Originally posted by Zanti Misfit
reply to post by Human_Alien
" By and large 'liberals' want peace, love and enlightenment.
How that is seen as a bad thing....just blows my mind. "
Far from Being Realistic is the Common Bane of All Progressive Liberals . Social Darwinism has Ruled this Planet from Time Immorial . It is ingrained in Mans Nature to try and Dominate others throught the use of Force or Die in the Act of trying . This will Never Change even in a Far Distant Imaginable Future where some might Believe otherwise.........
Originally posted by Kali74
reply to post by beezzer
I know you were trying to be a nice guy here, I'm not trying to pick on you though it may come across what way. This isn't something to say thank-you for and in fact it's a bit patronizing to do so. This is a personal issue above all else. It isn't a left/right issue, it isn't a liberal/conservative issue but by continuing these assumptions we are allowing it to be a democrat/republican issue and thus it serves to keep us hating each other and divided.
I reject the notion of token liberals and token leftists in order to prove one doesn't categorically reject. "She's a _____ but not like them other ones"... sound familiar?edit on 27-1-2013 by Kali74 because: (no reason given)
Originally posted by Kali74
reply to post by JuniorBeauchamp
Then logic dictates that they are Statists not Liberals etc...
Dontchathink?
Yes, that is why I submit that the term "liberal" as applied to these leftist, elitist statists is a misnomer and usurpation of the term as a means of deception, as per Orwellian doublespeak.
Originally posted by Kali74
reply to post by JuniorBeauchamp
Yes, that is why I submit that the term "liberal" as applied to these leftist, elitist statists is a misnomer and usurpation of the term as a means of deception, as per Orwellian doublespeak.
So you're calling out the usurpation of a word by furthering the usurpation of the definition of a group of ideologies?
Interesting but what does it have to do with Libs and Lefties supporting gun rights?
The definition of genuine "Leftists" are Big Centralized government of totalitarian statists.
Originally posted by Kali74
reply to post by JuniorBeauchamp
The definition of genuine "Leftists" are Big Centralized government of totalitarian statists.
No, that is the definition of Statists. Leftists are small state/anti-state.
Originally posted by JuniorBeauchamp
The classical definition of "liberals" would apply to libertarians.