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Originally posted by GR1ill3d
reply to post by sleeper
There is no such thing as chance, coincidence, or evolution. Everything happens for a reason or it doesn't happen at all.
The above statement is one of the most ignorant statements I have ever heard come from anyone EVER.
Such an absolute claim is an obvious sign of ignorance. Please stop.
Edit: Evolution is more of natural selection not just a "Chance". Before you make a thread like this, go actually educate yourself on the subject matter instead of advertising your ignorance.edit on 1/25/1313 by GR1ill3d because: (no reason given)edit on 1/25/1313 by GR1ill3d because: (no reason given)
Originally posted by Aloysius the Gaul
Nicely ignoring that you were just plain wrong about what a scientific theory is!!
Evolution is a sceintific fact - drug resistant strains of various diseases are a fact, not "just a theory".
And natural selection as a mechanism for evolution is also a fact - as demonstrated by Lenski's experiment.
you choosing to ignore them does not stop them from being facts.
Originally posted by Nevertheless
reply to post by sleeper
There is no point in arguing with someone who hasn't studied evolution at all, who does not back-up his own claims while at the same time dismissing a scientific theory.
You are free to "believe" in whatever you like and you are free to dismiss science.
The site does say "Deny ignorance", but I guess I cannot help you with that.
Originally posted by Nevertheless
reply to post by sleeper
There is no point in arguing with someone who hasn't studied evolution at all, who does not back-up his own claims while at the same time dismissing a scientific theory.
You are free to "believe" in whatever you like and you are free to dismiss science.
The site does say "Deny ignorance", but I guess I cannot help you with that.
Originally posted by GR1ill3d
Originally posted by Nevertheless
reply to post by sleeper
There is no point in arguing with someone who hasn't studied evolution at all, who does not back-up his own claims while at the same time dismissing a scientific theory.
You are free to "believe" in whatever you like and you are free to dismiss science.
The site does say "Deny ignorance", but I guess I cannot help you with that.
This about sums it up for me when debating evolution with someone who CLEARLY has no idea what he/she is talking about, and just spouts off without thinking.
Originally posted by raul bloodworth
Im with Sleeper on this one.
This evolution malarky doesn't jive with me. I feel that there is something unseen, something bigger and grander orchestrating stuff behind the scenes. Humans just cant see it very well (if at all)
Originally posted by sleeper
I went to school and was taught evolution as everyone was, I just didn't buy it.
Some people are easily manipulated in our schools. Not much we can do about that.
If more people "denied ignorance" they might have to do a little work on their own and not believe everything they are told by the establishment/educational system. Taking the easy road and not the less traveled road is no way to deny ignorance.
Originally posted by Nevertheless
Science has already taken care of the nonsensical claims, so what we are left with are things we actually can observe and confirm that they do make sense.
Originally posted by sleeper
Science tries really hard to please and that's what I like about science, it is sincere and loyal. So is my dog, well if I had a dog I assume it would be like that.
A whole lot of things makes sense, a beautiful sunny morning a gorgeous evening sunset. But what the heck is the sun? No ones has a clue what the sun is, how it works, and most importantly why it works. It's still beautiful and I love sunny days, don't you?
Same with evolution, most everyone believes it, everyone has a theory about it, and many make a dam good living teaching that false religion to the masses. If I was making a living selling evolution theories I would change my mind about it too. Any openings in your department?
Originally posted by sleeper
Science tries really hard to please
A whole lot of things makes sense, a beautiful sunny morning a gorgeous evening sunset. But what the heck is the sun? No ones has a clue what the sun is,
how it works, and most importantly why it works.
Same with evolution, most everyone believes it, everyone has a theory about it, and many make a dam good living teaching that false religion to the masses.
If I was making a living selling evolution theories I would change my mind about it too. Any openings in your department?
Originally posted by Aloysius the Gaul
Originally posted by sleeper
[Evolution remains a scientific theory and a theory is not a fact it's only an idea, a guess, a theory.
A Scientific Theory is a technical term which differs from common English useage, which you have given above.
In Science a "theory" is NOT "an idea, a guess" - it is the 2nd highest level of Scientific knowledge if you like, "exceeded" only by a "law".
- United States Natinal Academy of Science
The formal scientific definition of theory is quite different from the everyday meaning of the word. It refers to a comprehensive explanation of some aspect of nature that is supported by a vast body of evidence. Many scientific theories are so well established that no new evidence is likely to alter them substantially. For example, no new evidence will demonstrate that the Earth does not orbit around the sun (heliocentric theory), or that living things are not made of cells (cell theory), that matter is not composed of atoms, or that the surface of the Earth is not divided into solid plates that have moved over geological timescales (the theory of plate tectonics)...One of the most useful properties of scientific theories is that they can be used to make predictions about natural events or phenomena that have not yet been observed.
"It's jsut a theory" is a demonstration of willful ignorance, because the definition of a scientific theory as above is well known and ther is no excuse for thinking otherwise.edit on 24-1-2013 by Aloysius the Gaul because: (no reason given)
Originally posted by Aloysius the Gaul
Originally posted by sleeper
Science tries really hard to please
How can science "please"?? Whio is it it "pleases" and how?
Originally posted by TucoTheRat
Originally posted by Aloysius the Gaul
"It's jsut a theory" is a demonstration of willful ignorance, because the definition of a scientific theory as above is well known and ther is no excuse for thinking otherwise.edit on 24-1-2013 by Aloysius the Gaul because: (no reason given)
Really?
That's good to know...because see... I have a great theory and honestly it makes much more scientific sense then our current theory of evolution.
check this out....
Humans evolved from the banana! not the monkey, the banana. HA! to think that my theory is just under from being a law ROCKS!
Thanks man,
The Rat.
Originally posted by muse8011
Sleeper is uniquivicably correct.
The education systems are propaganda machines. The curriculum is flawed.
Most PH.D's fudge on their research to fit what the bosses want. This is built into the education system and research labs. Look at most of the silly theories of the recent past. Refuted, but you never hear much about it.
Why is that so hard to believe?
Evolution is a Disney production...that lung fish growing legs to Apes getting smart... Seriously?edit on 27-1-2013 by muse8011 because: mispelling