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Originally posted by TrueBrit
Although I would agree that the policing of the protests, and the behavior of the banks in general has been, is, and will continue to be bloody dreadful, I have to hold up a hand and ask one question in the face of this thread, and the article it was spawned by.
Originally posted by Panic2k11
reply to post by tothetenthpower
It's clear that the OWS movement was doomed from the start. Not only from it's internet issues as a movement, but because of the insane amount of resources and effort put in by opposing groups.
It only will help shape things for the next time people revolt against the 1% that controls society. Did you notice any change or attempt to clean their act or even openings to compromise to any of the multiple demands of the movement ? I didn't, I see business going as usual...
Citigroup is far from the only such repeat offender — in the eyes of the S.E.C. — on Wall Street. Nearly all of the biggest financial companies, Goldman Sachs, Morgan Stanley, JPMorgan Chase and Bank of America among them, have settled fraud cases by promising the S.E.C. that they would never again violate an antifraud law, only to do it again in another case a few years later.
A New York Times analysis of enforcement actions during the last 15 years found at least 51 cases in which 19 Wall Street firms had broken antifraud laws they had agreed never to breach.
Originally posted by charles1952
reply to post by tothetenthpower
Our financial system was a tempting target, and OWS seemed to be about attacking the financial system.
the corruption and the Big Banks controlling our government.
The person said that it is the government meddling with the banks with more and more regulations.
Los Angeles was as Red as the Kremlin and they made NO bones about saying so...sans the actual Soviet reference.
Occupy had SERIOUS denial issues of criminal elements
Occupy REFUSED TO BELIEVE they were infiltrated.
Originally posted by FirstCasualty
Originally posted by Wrabbit2000
reply to post by FirstCasualty
Well, you sound like the expert for advice if you're able to condemn the efforts of others. In that context, please do tell how we should 'grow up and get involved'? I'm serious on the question too. What course of action or career path would you say the 20 somethings of today would best pursue to see change come?
I say Occupy was the last best chance because it WAS the last chance the nation likely will have to organize ANY large #'s of people for ANYTHING before
it becomes impractical to do. I never agreed with all Occupy stood for. Not even half of it. I didn't have to though. I stood with them for the time I did because if we, as a nation, can even GET FAR ENOUGH for the differences among the protesters to matter for something to get worked out? We've achieved total success by today's standards and it's MUCH further along the path of change, together, than I can see a way to get to now.
So... It's easy to ridicule those who have done something as being the wrong thing to do. Maybe it was too....but it was something more than sitting around.
So, again.. what would YOU recommend and suggest, you're quick to say what isn't worthy of time or effort?
Ok. So lets say its occupy and a hundred million people turn out. The government is like "oh god they found out lets run away"
Now what?
I was down at an occupy rally in vancouver. i stick by my snot faced college kids, who had NO PLAN!!!
So was everyone just supposed to back down and follow these fools. they dont even know what they were doing.
If it was a choice ill run with the NWO, at least they have a plan.
Hoe to gey involved? Whatch your congress in action and write letters to point out falacies. They know you are paying attention they wont act so out of touch.
Run for office
Start groups that can protest private ownership of media and the need for fair balanced reporting of all issues.
Get involved.
Disband the government and leave it in your hands????
No thanks!
You believe the government has super natural powers and they will end up with just that.
Originally posted by tothetenthpower
FBI Colluded With Big Banks to Spy on, Undermine Anti-Wall Street Movement
www.blackliste dnews.com
(visit the link for the full news article)
Newly released Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI) files prove that federal agencies within the United States government colluded with the private sector to spy on the Occupy Wall Street (OWS) movement even before the first demonstration was held in New York City’s Zuccotti Park.
“These documents show that the FBI and the Department of Homeland Security are treating protests against the corporate and banking structure of America as potential criminal and terrorist activity,” stated Mara Verheyden-Hilliard, Executive Director of the Partnership for Civil Justice Fund (PCJF). “These
Originally posted by tothetenthpower
reply to post by dianashay
I compare it to the Tea Party movement. It started as a legitimate movement and then was hijacked by special interest and big money.
The same happened to OWS, except instead of it being the Koch brothers it was George Soros.
~Tenth
Originally posted by YellowRoseTx51
reply to post by jacobe001
Our original system has been not just over written, they have supplied a completely false history to support their entrainment system to the kids. Like the Nazi youth. By the time 50+ years have past, four or more generations have been entrained to think that (Legislated Commodity) 'money' and 'for profit corporations' is the only way of existence or governing.
Like the religious, they cling to it and defend it with anger. Completely unaware that a better way exists; and was used world wide.
Originally posted by Wrabbit2000
reply to post by sealing
I won't begin to argue the Tea Party Movement wasn't co-opted and bought off. There isn't much question in my mind and the best sign is the lack of sign. TPM kinda went quiet and vanished...as I'm sure TPTB fully intended. No more rallies we hear about ... no big marches ... not even interview spots for reps to discuss the most pressing matters of the day. Irrelevance, just as required and it was Mission Accomplished.
Now on that $$ figure...is that October of 2011?? I'll believe that small a number for that date. I don't think the $500,000 donation had been fomally delivered to Zuccotti Park by that point in time, so I suppose...accurate enough. We also need to be talking ONLY Zuccotti Park OWS and not Occupy America.
What happened to all that money anyway? While The Tea Party Movement in places like Richmond, VA literally had audits run against them to account for money to the dollar.......I've never seen such things done against Occupy or OWS proper?
I can say I saw a $5,000 donation in one shot come into Occupy STL...and it was just the largest and most notable of a steady flow of smaller numbers. A good part of it was also stolen by embezzlement through the actions of two specific people in that camp...who I'll HAPPILY return to St Louis and testify against if ever given that opportunity.
TPM at least had accountability of funds and resources. If they didn't make it themselves, it was made for them and forced upon them. That's how it should be though.
It's just a shame it was so one sided for accounting for things like large cash donations.
This Cohen Report series explores the organizational structure of the Tea Party movement for evidence of 501(c) and other tax exempt organizational forms among the hundreds, maybe thousands of groups with Tea Party affiliations. Why? Two reasons: When the press talks about local Tea Party groups, it will sometimes refer to them as “nonprofit” organizations, without ever checking to see even if they are incorporated, much less that they have received federal tax exempt designation. Just because they are conducting rallies, protesting, and waving signs, that doesn’t make the Tea Party organizations automatically eligible for the shorthand nonprofit appellation.