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Originally posted by nixie_nox
reply to post by neo96
Also, a chunk of that money goes to the elderly and disabled. Especially long term care for the elderly. And that medicare money doesn't kick in until all the assests of the elderly person is gone.
Originally posted by Jeremiah65
You sir....despite your clever posts here and there...are not that bright.
Originally posted by Jeremiah65
I am a Libertarian to the point of being an Anarchist. I personally believe in big freedom. I think if you leave people alone they will find a way to get by. I am sure you will disagree. You strike me as the type of person that wants the machine to keep running as long as you are relatively unscathed...I disagree with that. I love my freedom and I love to do whatever I feel like doing in the privacy of my home. I have an Achilles heel though...I mourn for my fellow man. I see his pain...I see his hurt...and I want better for him. I suppose some of you that like to hide behind our "Libertarian" brand do not see this...I cannot help myself, I see and feel their pain.
Originally posted by Jeremiah65
I so wish for a fair world. I work, I take contracts...I fulfill my obligations and I get paid...this is what I do. I also see they guy at the corner store...dirty...poor and hungry...and it bothers me...it bothers me that in a world of plenty, someone has to beg...there is something broken here and I don't pretend to have the answers.
Originally posted by Jeremiah65
Maybe your idea of freedom is a dog eat dog world...and maybe that is what is needed...if you cannot compete, you die....maybe that is what is best.
Originally posted by Jeremiah65
it sounds heartless but it removes the burdens on the successful to afford life to the unsuccessful.
Originally posted by Jeremiah65
I think you have shown your hand...you are not human...you are a monster and a predator.
Originally posted by Jeremiah65
Accolades to you...you have absolutely summed up the human condition....we only do well when we subjugate another....how wonderful. Sleep well...perhaps the truth will find it's way into your subconscious...apparently there is no getting through the conscious defenses you have set up to justify the suffering of others...
Originally posted by sheepslayer247
I think you are missing the social responsibility aspect of this. It's like taking tax money and using it to fund road construction.
Should the people that do not drive have to pay that tax? Why would they take from my paycheck to pay for roads that I may never use?
Originally posted by sheepslayer247
See how the line of thinking you used completely falls apart?
Originally posted by sheepslayer247
It's better for all of society to have proper roads. It is good for society to help people, with OUR money (not just yours), if they need some damned food.
Originally posted by nixie_nox
First, food stamps doesn't always equate to unemployment. There are many working poor.
The Tax Policy Center has announced that, if we hurtle over the fiscal cliff, the average middle class family would pay an additional $1,984 in taxes in 2013.
The number brings to mind George Orwell, the patron saint of political satire; 1984, after all, is the title of Orwell's famous novel of bureaucratic evil run amok. But today, just as in Orwell's dystopia, the most important thing isn't what is being said, but what is not. Because, while the $1,984 sum is impressive, it hides the true cost of the fiscal cliff, a precipice that will punish all families, but some more than others.
Yes, the average middle-class family will pay $1,984 more, but the fiscal cliff will cost the average family overall $3,446, almost twice as much. The huge gap between those two numbers reveals the wide difference between middle class and upper class tax breaks -
The cost of living in my county, in order to make enough to just get by, is $80,000 per year.
Originally posted by sheepslayer247
reply to post by beezzer
I have to say that I am shocked Beez. This is the first time I have noticed something has gone completely over your head.
Just nevermind.....Let's move on.
We all use the road. The food, funded by food stamps benefits an individual. Nice try though.
Originally posted by beezzer
Anyone care to guess how much of the US population will be on foodstamps at the end of Obama's second term?
Originally posted by macman
Originally posted by nixie_nox
No one is buying anything. You think that during a recession, someone is willing to shell out money for a used lamp?
Talk about spoiled middle class who has no clue.
You are a little late and a little off on your retort, but I will play.
Yes, go look at craigslist, Ebay or local garage sales.
Again, it is not my responsibility to fund my neighbor, via theft from the Govt.
*laughs* you can list them. But it doesn't mean anybody will buy. I have had friends who have had garage sales and people only want to pay 50cents for a piece of furniture.
Ebay charges you to list. my friends quit when nothign was sold, and THEN t hey had to shell out several dollars to ebay fees.
I love people who think like you that you exist in this bubble with no effect on your neighbor, but you are a human who lives in human society where everyone depends on everyone.
Just because you have never had a fire, doesn't mean that you don't have to pay into local funds for a fire department. It also means providing for children who will grow up to be doctors and teachers and soldiers, who provide services for all of society.
There is nothing you do, in your day to day life, that you can do that isn't from benefitting from someone else.
The healthier children are, the better education the receive, all benefit from society as a whole.
But since you can't seem to think beyond yourself, you don't see how it benefits everyone as a whole.
The healthier a population is, the higheer the GDP.
Originally posted by Jeremiah65
So you sell a few possession for a few bucks this month, what about next month?
I guess just bitch and moan loud enough, and make sure you cast your vote for 0bama to reach into my pocket to give you money.
As it is pointed out over and over on these threads, the highest welfare recipients, are the red states. Thefood stamp predisent, who got us into this mess, was Bush.
But that doesn't play into your republican rhetoric 101 playbook.
Originally posted by Jeremiah65
I have tried to sell my comic book collection, no one is buying. There is no point.
Ebay. Someone will buy it. But, I am willing that you won't sell it for a reduced, going market price.
As I already pointed out, the cost of listing on ebay is more then people are willing to pay for a comic book, no matter the worth.
It also gets a little more complicated without boring you with the comic book world logistics.
Originally posted by Jeremiah65
"Sorry kids, I have to sell your toys, because uncle Macman thinks we should be in utter desolation like a third world country, before we can get help"
Or how about, "Hey kids, we can keep all your toys, because the Govt will steal money from Macman, and give it to us".
Or how about, "Hey kids, we have to sell some stuff because we are poor. I think we will turn to our family for help, and then maybe our Church.
This shows how clueless you are. By the time people reach this point, the whole family is poor. Do you think someone with wealthy parents go to the welfare office?
But, I have drawn a line with allowing the Govt to take from someone else, to give to us. I, the father and leader of the family will start working 2 jobs, and look to get some side work to get us through this".
Yeah, yours is so much better, huh?
Hey kids, this shows how shortsighted macman is. See if you help people now, they contribute later. Instead, he wants the great country of USA to turn into slums like a third world country, then complain that there are homeless people everywhere and they are unsightly and smell.
My best friend, has two girls, whos father abandoned them. See in macman's world, everything is black and white and bad never happens. See, he went off the radar and left a woman to provide for two kids by herself.
So she went on welfare, fed her kids, got childcare so she could go to school. NOW, she manages a business, owns a house, and pays more than her fair share of taxes. Her kids, now getting a decent education, can become successful citizens themselves.
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Originally posted by sheepslayer247
reply to post by beezzer
I did answer. I said that I couldn't not begin to tell you. There is no way to know and I'd hate to be the one to speculate.
Originally posted by Jeremiah65
I hate to resort to Ad hominem tactics...but you really are an idiot. You are almsot so ignorant it has to be on purpose...is that the goal? Talk from the other side to push your mist veiled agenda?
Originally posted by Jeremiah65
If for one second you actually understood a thing....you might know where I come from....but you are the perfect straw man...you bark up this crap that is so wrong and anyone with a 3rd grade education knows it. I have always posted accordingly...I believe in freedom....I am borderline anarchist because I think we govern ourselves better than some "institution" does....
Originally posted by Jeremiah65
I have always stood for big freedom and small gov...I realize we have to have the monster for a few reasons....but you sir....you take the argument into insanity...unnecessary and stupid.
Originally posted by Jeremiah65
I think you are hiding something...
Originally posted by Jeremiah65
I don't think you believe the trype you post...I think you like being divisionist and hateful...
Originally posted by Jeremiah65
but I don't think you believe one word of it. I think...beneath the trappings....you might actually be a human and you know we have a problem...
Originally posted by Jeremiah65
.I think...after consideration...I was wrong...I think you are probably a nice guy...I think you want humanity to do awesome...I think you know this system is broken...and like the rest of us, you don't have any answers....
Originally posted by sheepslayer247
Do we not all benefit by not having people die of starvation or by not having people stealing to feed their family? There are more benefits than just what you see on the surface. The number one benefit being lower crime.
Originally posted by beezzer
Originally posted by sheepslayer247
reply to post by beezzer
I did answer. I said that I couldn't not begin to tell you. There is no way to know and I'd hate to be the one to speculate.
But as a supporter of Obama's polices, wouldn't you agree that the fewer people on foodstamps be indicative of successful domestic policy?
Originally posted by macman
reply to post by Jeremiah65
That was weird. Sorry about that.