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Originally posted by interupt42
Originally posted by Indigo5
reply to post by interupt42
In order for a politician to be of value to a Lobbyist and rake in campaign contributions and other goodies...they must be a politician. So while Politicians might be beholden to lobbyists...they are more beholden to voters, cuz without thier job, they are worthless to lobbyists.
I guess what I am getting at is that "we the people" share some of the blame for the corruption in DC. We can dedicate hours of air-time to gay marriage, but campaign finance reform? Grover Norquist had a nice run with his pledge...why not a pledge to reform campaign laws? Not accept money from PACs that refuse to disclose thier donors? etc. etc.
I agree that an unelected politician is powerless. However, you assume that voters have a choice to NOT pick one of their selected politicians.
Come election time, who do you get to pick from. The guy you want or the guy that the RNC or the DNC picked for you to select from?
Originally posted by beezzer
Originally posted by longlostbrother
More sour grapes from a few angry rich white losers.edit on 6-12-2012 by longlostbrother because: (no reason given)
First off, not white.
Secondly, glad you and your ilk are finally going to take ownership of the economy!
They have NOT learned any lessons from there huge loss in 2012 and the fringe is instead doubling-down on the crazy.
Originally posted by Stormdancer777
www.abovetopsecret.com...
here ya go longlost, this may explain some things
Originally posted by Indigo5
Originally posted by interupt42
Originally posted by Indigo5
reply to post by interupt42
In order for a politician to be of value to a Lobbyist and rake in campaign contributions and other goodies...they must be a politician. So while Politicians might be beholden to lobbyists...they are more beholden to voters, cuz without thier job, they are worthless to lobbyists.
I guess what I am getting at is that "we the people" share some of the blame for the corruption in DC. We can dedicate hours of air-time to gay marriage, but campaign finance reform? Grover Norquist had a nice run with his pledge...why not a pledge to reform campaign laws? Not accept money from PACs that refuse to disclose thier donors? etc. etc.
I agree that an unelected politician is powerless. However, you assume that voters have a choice to NOT pick one of their selected politicians.
Come election time, who do you get to pick from. The guy you want or the guy that the RNC or the DNC picked for you to select from?
I get what you are saying, but am not one to throw in the towel and sigh...alas...ther is nothing we can do.
I'd rather go down kicking and in this country I know I am not alone.
Originally posted by TDawgRex
reply to post by narwahl
Isn't anyone who votes for the way things are and keeping them the same, the looters and moochers?
The independent mind is at risk in todays age.edit on 6-12-2012 by TDawgRex because: (no reason given)
Originally posted by longlostbrother
It certainly outlines the long running attempts by the GOP to commit voter fraud...
Originally posted by Spiramirabilis
reply to post by longlostbrother
They have NOT learned any lessons from there huge loss in 2012 and the fringe is instead doubling-down on the crazy.
They have learned - there's just some postmortem spasms that have to happen first
4 years from now I think we are going to see a brand-spanking new flavor of GOP
I for one will welcome them with open arms - even when I disagree with them
Originally posted by TDawgRex
reply to post by narwahl
Isn't anyone who votes for the way things are and keeping them the same, the looters and moochers?
The independent mind is at risk in todays age.edit on 6-12-2012 by TDawgRex because: (no reason given)
Originally posted by TDawgRex
Originally posted by longlostbrother
It certainly outlines the long running attempts by the GOP to commit voter fraud...
You can say the same about the DNC. Government control is a game of high stakes.
You know the saying right?
"If you ain't cheating, you ain't tryin.'"
Still doesn't make it right though. I would love to see a honest government at least for four years in my lifetime.
Of course National Security has to remain behind closed doors lest we tip our hand.
Originally posted by narwahl
This makes no sense. I like change only when stuff isn't working as it is. Looters and Moochers don't enter into it. Also the party that wanted to make looting easier lost. While this is regrettable for the looters, i am glad for the looted.
Originally posted by TDawgRex
reply to post by longlostbrother
You and me just understand things differently. I'm ok with that. I have struggled my entire life to get were I am at.
I believe in competition. I believe that you earn your keep.
I could get behind Obama if he re-established the "CCC". Lord knows the U.S. needs it now. And it would give people needed skills and help the country as a whole.
Originally posted by TDawgRex
Originally posted by narwahl
This makes no sense. I like change only when stuff isn't working as it is. Looters and Moochers don't enter into it. Also the party that wanted to make looting easier lost. While this is regrettable for the looters, i am glad for the looted.
So, you're for the moochers? The ones who take your hard earned money and spend it on frivilous things? The ones that give nothing back to society but constantly take?
The looters are the Government.
The moochers are the ones who do not contribute.
So, I guess you are ok with that?
Originally posted by longlostbrother
Originally posted by TDawgRex
reply to post by narwahl
Isn't anyone who votes for the way things are and keeping them the same, the looters and moochers?
The independent mind is at risk in todays age.edit on 6-12-2012 by TDawgRex because: (no reason given)
No.
That's just you misunderstanding what a social safety net is, misunderstanding how the founding Fathers felt about tax and public education, and misunderstanding the scope of corporate handouts and which party they benefit most.
Why do you think billionaire were funding Romney?
Why would the GOP chose a candidate with millions in offshore accounts?
What do you think Jefferson woulda thought about Romney? Or Washington, who forced the rich to pay taxes at the end of a gun? Or Thomas Paine, who believed in a social safety net?
Or moyabe those Founding Fathers are not American enough for you?
Originally posted by narwahl
Originally posted by beezzer
Here's what I know.
Obama is holding 98% of America hostage.
He (Obama) will not sign any bill unless it contains tax raises for the 2%. So unless he gets what he wants, he will screw us over with all of us getting to pay higher taxes.
The republicans ARE weak sauce, they are a pitiful disgusting shadow of what they could be. Ironically enough, despite the fact that they (the GOP) are pathetic, they are still heads and shoulders above the progressives who have infected the American political system.
Wrong.
The Bush tax cuts expire at the end of the year.
There is a bill that reinstates them for 98%
It passed the senate
Pelosi forced that discharge thingy in the house on tuesday.
Now they need 218 votes to bring the bush tax cut prolongation onto the floor, despite Boehner not scheduling it.