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Originally posted by EnochWasRight
reply to post by lonewolf19792000
Very good thought.
From the LDS Church.... "Of the twelve tribes, the tribes of Joseph’s sons, Ephraim and Manasseh, will be gathered first and then direct the other tribes in their gathering (see JST, Genesis 48:5–11; Deuteronomy 33:16–17; D&C 133:30–39)." -- this is bullet point #6 from chapter 24.
"It is essential in this dispensation that Ephraim stand in his place at the head, exercising the birthright in Israel which was given to him by direct revelation. Therefore, Ephraim must be gathered first to prepare the way, through the gospel and the priesthood, for the rest of the tribes of Israel when the time comes for them to be gathered to Zion." -- page 66.
I often find some very good Biblical insight from LDS website. I came across this regarding a book review. Of course, they say Zion is America. Many people say Ephraim is America.
edit on 3-12-2012 by EnochWasRight because: (no reason given)
Originally posted by thePharaoh
jesus and the 12 disciples
do you think`that could be the 13 "houses" of isreal
could judea mean judus????
just thinking out loud
If a Chinese man converts to Christianity, does he become part of an Israelite tribe?
When it comes to tribes, its a matter of genetics... not labels and symbolism. 'Ephraim', like the other tribes is the name of an actual clan of people, genetically descended from Israel. Its not a name or a title for a group that anybody can become part of, by finding connections in the bible.
Genetics bears no matter, in Christ you are adopted into the royal family regardless and according to ancient jewish rites of adoption, adopted children are counted as blood relatives through the father's line, which in this case would be Jesus for christians.
According to the parable the blood Jews and Israelites were cut off. The branches that were broken off of the tree.
But in turn Christians are being grafted into their places. The wild olive tree branches. But what is the tree? The family tree of Abraham, Isaac, and Israel. You are an adopted Israelite.
Why is he referring to Isaiah 6? He knew the curse had been triggered at that point. And when a prophet refers to those symptoms that means the people were cursed. He became a different guy at that point. And that makes me think there was a possible different future that was cut off.
Originally posted by danielbarzohar
reply to post by lonewolf19792000
I think the norther kingdom of Israel is contained within Christianity. Jesus came for the lost sheep of Isael which is the norther Kingdom of Israel which had been exiled into Assyria in 721 bc. They lost their identity and Jesus said my sheep hear my voice. The gospel message was to spread around the world and retrieve the lost sheep of Israel (i.e. lost 10 tribes). The portion of Christianity that is the lost 10 tribes are those that strongly love the Jews and the Jewish state. I have some blog posts dealing with it and their are two researchers, Steven Collins of the US and Yair Davidiy of Israel that are both researching the where abouts of the lost 10 tribes. Check out my blog at www.danielbarzohar.blogspot.com