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I have absolutely no idea what you are talking about lol, no offense but what we need to realize is that Owning the Weather is real. Stop playing games. It's here and it's now. You guys are entertaining but ineffective. Add something usefull. We're waitrng.
Originally posted by Tardacus
It`s strange how some of the trails abruptly stop and then start again while the trail right next to it continues without any breaks in it.
why would the engines on the right side of the plane suddenly and abruptly stop creating condensation trails while the engines on the left side of the plane continuing creating condensation trails uninterupted. both sets of engines are traveling at the same altitude,through the same air density etc but only one set of engines create an uninterupted trail?
most curious is why the condensation from one set of engines doesn`t just tapper off or or create a thinner trail, it abruptly stops completely temporarily and then resumes again a few seconds later.
Originally posted by prevenge
reply to post by Zaphod58
you should just go back to studying the you tube video for the rest of the day and zoom in and use contrast in photoshop after you still frame it and get your evidence.
see you in a couple days.
you are missing the goddamn point.
they're spraying crazy @#% dude.. are you high on something??
and it's a very very interesting phenomenon to discuss.edit on 12/1/2012 by prevenge because: (no reason given)
Originally posted by waynos
reply to post by Tecumte
OK, you cant answer my question, that's fair enough but you could have just said so instead of ignoring me. I'll let it lie now, but don't you think that huge gap in the sources that have built your belief needs to be acknowledged?
Regarding what you wrote in this post, you are sure that what you are seeing is spraying. Well how about the possibility that the air traffic is constant all the time due to the schedules airlines operate to, but sometimes the weather changes and trails persist. Then it changes back again and they don't anymore, until next time, resulting in less visible evidence of their constant presence. Why is that so ridiculous?
edit on 2-12-2012 by waynos because: (no reason given)
Originally posted by Tecumte
...The apologists use the tired mantra that the only difference is the altitude between planes.
Originally posted by Soylent Green Is People
Originally posted by Tecumte
...The apologists use the tired mantra that the only difference is the altitude between planes.
No. Another thing that may affect the characteristics of trails is the condition of the atmosphere in which the planes are -- conditions that change throughout the day, even at a given altitude.
Weather modification has been ongoing for decades in the United States. It was perfected during the Vietnam War leading to the ENMOD Treaty signed by the United States. However, this has not stopped a whole host of weather modification programs and experiments being initiated or are now ongoing in the United States and with increasing frequency in many foreign countries.
The profound impact of these ever-increasing and highly sophisticated weather experiments and programs are radically changing our climate and local weather conditions in many areas. Your local weathermen are not reporting these events leading many to believe that some man-made weather is either extreme or unusual…thus, the public is unaware of many of these programs.
These exponentially growing programs have no government or public oversight, limited oversight in a very few states which allow them, and no government or public oversight or consent for the rest of them. These programs change the climate, the micro-climates needed for watersheds, negatively impact tree health, and agriculture crop production. NOAA lists some of these programs but most are not listed due to their experimental nature, military classification, university experiments, and failures to notify NOAA by various states, counties, cities, weather modification companies, and private individuals and corporations who may all modifying your weather.
Actually I'm trying to waste as little time as possible responding to any baiting, obfuscation or trolling
Originally posted by totallackey
Originally posted by tinhattribunal
reply to post by totallackey
dude!
there's like a dozen threads and thousands of posts by zaphrod, unicus, tammy jo, aloynious and their like minded friends showing old smoking planes from the '30's and '40's which they try to pass off proof that all chemtrails are contrails.
unicus even runs his own personal [bs] website showing the same.
they really make the chemtrail and geoenginering area of ats look like a total joke.
most members here feel bad for new members who don't get that and try to start a thread thinking they are going to communicate with other concerned and informed posters.
instead they are harrassed and usually called names by the above.
then the mods show up and run off the people as they defend them selves !
and with that , i'm otta here
You have any evidence to back up any of this?
Originally posted by tinhattribunal
and if they were researched in depth they often are found to hold a 'piece of the puzzle' for the pro-chemtrail side to verify their claims ... even though they are [often] supplied by un-believers!
Originally posted by waynos
reply to post by Tecumte
Actually I'm trying to waste as little time as possible responding to any baiting, obfuscation or trolling
What an utterly ridiculous response. I acknowledged the evidence you talked about and even noted my interest in GE subjects, but had one specific point that I asked you to clarify as a means of joining the dots. WHY do you consider my question trolling, is it because its too hard?
It has been demonstrated by other members on here before that the typical tactic of the faith based believer, when faced with questions they cant answer, is to 'prove chemtrails are real', or at least avoiding having to question whether or not they are actually wrong, by ignoring them or attacking the motives or character of the 'opponent'. Well done, you just lived up the stereotype.
Well I guess that response shows how weak your evidence is. And that last link? Seriously dude, I've been clicking through it for the last few minutes, what a crock.edit on 2-12-2012 by waynos because: (no reason given)
Weather modification has been ongoing for decades in the United States. It was perfected during the Vietnam War leading to the ENMOD Treaty signed by the United States. However, this has not stopped a whole host of weather modification programs and experiments being initiated or are now ongoing in the United States and with increasing frequency in many foreign countries.
The profound impact of these ever-increasing and highly sophisticated weather experiments and programs are radically changing our climate and local weather conditions in many areas. Your local weathermen are not reporting these events leading many to believe that some man-made weather is either extreme or unusual…thus, the public is unaware of many of these programs.
These exponentially growing programs have no government or public oversight, limited oversight in a very few states which allow them, and no government or public oversight or consent for the rest of them. These programs change the climate, the micro-climates needed for watersheds, negatively impact tree health, and agriculture crop production. NOAA lists some of these programs but most are not listed due to their experimental nature, military classification, university experiments, and failures to notify NOAA by various states, counties, cities, weather modification companies, and private individuals and corporations who may all modifying your weather.
Originally posted by Drunkenparrot
Originally posted by Zaphod58
reply to post by tinhattribunal
No I didn't. I said that persistent contrails were around in WWII, but I never said there were more of them, except from the sheer number of aircraft used in bombing raids. There are more of them now because of the high bypass turbofan.
Here you go. All formed by supercharged, reciprocating type internal combustion engines...
Weather Modification Projects
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Weather Modification, Inc. Projects
Clients & Projects
Antigua Antigua Cloud Seeding Project
Argentina Province of Mendoza Ministry of Economy
Australia Queensland Environmental Protection Agency
Burkina Faso Program SAAGA
Canada Alberta Hail Suppression Project
British Colombia Ministry of Forest
British Columbia Hydro and Power Authority
Saskatchewan National Hydrology Research Agency
Greece Greek National Hail Suppression Program (ELGA)
Hellenic Navy Supply Center
India Andhra Pradesh Rainfall Enhancement Project
Prakalpa Varsha – Maharashtra Rainfall Enhancement Project
Project Varuna – Karnataka Rainfall Enhancement Project
Indonesia BPPT Weather Modification Program
Jordan Arab Automated Systems
Heshamite Kingdom of Jordan
Mali Programme Sanji – Mali
Mexico Precipitation for Augmentation of Rain in Coahuila (PARC)
Morocco Programme Al-Ghait
Saudi Arabia Program for Cloud Physics Research and Rain Enhancement in the Kingdom of Saudi Arabia
World Meteorological Organization in cooperation with SAU/WMO/FIT Rain Enhancement Project
Senegal Republique du Senegal – Ministry of Armed Forces
Spain Canary Islands – AIRAO Incorporated
Thailand Bureau of Royal Rainmaking and Agricultural Aviation (BRRAA)
Turkey ISKI Rain Enhancement Program
Petkim Petrokimya Holding, A.S. Rain Enhancement Program
United Arab Emirates U.A.E. Rain Enhancement Program
U.A.E. Rainfall Enhancement and Air Chemistry Studies – DWRS
United States Aeromet, Inc. (L-3 Communications) – U.S Department of Defense
BAMEX – Bow Echo and Mesoscale Convective Vortex Experiment
CALIPSO – CloudSat Validation Experiment
Delaware Department of Agriculture Cloud Seeding Program
Edwards Aquifer Authority
Federal Aviation Administration – Great Lakes Division
Gratiot Weather Modification Project
Illinois Weather Modification Projects
National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration (NOAA)
National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration – National Hurricane Center
Naval Surface Warfare Center
Nevada State Cloud Seeding Program
New Mexico BLAST (Burst Light and Stratus Transmission) Project
North Dakota Cloud Modification Project (NDCMP)
North Dakota Thunderstorm Project – North Dakota Atmospheric Resource Board
North Dakota Tracer Experiment – North Dakota Atmospheric Resource Board
Northeast Sampling Program – Sonoma Technology, Inc.
NSF/NCAR ICE-L Field Campaign
Oklahoma Weather Modification Project (OWMP)
Panhandle Groundwater Conservation District Rainfall Enhancement Program
Santa Barbara County Water Agency
Sonoma Technology, Inc.
Stanislaus Weather Modification Program
State of South Dakota – Department of Natural Resources Division of Weather Modification
Texas Central High Plains Rainfall Enhancement Program
Texas Experiment in Augmenting Rainfall through Cloud Seeding (TEXARC)
Texas Weather Modification Program
The University of North Dakota – US Environmental Protection Agency
University of Arizona – National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration (NOAA)
Upper American River Cloud Seeding Project
Upper Payette River Basin Cloud Seeding Program
Upper Tuolumne River Weather Modification Program
Utah Division of Water Resources
Utah Division of Water Resources
West Central Texas Council of Governments Rainfall Enhancement Program
Western Dakota Water Development District – Black Hills Council of Local Government
Wyoming Weather Modification Pilot Program
allied planes all used carburated engines [nazi's- bosch fuel injection].
carburators have big problems running well when altitude changes [such as driving an old car from sea level to a mountain area].
the planes had to be 'rigged' upped to be able to fly any mission at altitude, hence all the smoke in the photos!!
"It should be realised that the energy involved in weather systems is so large that it is impossible to create cloud systems that rain, alter wind patterns to bring water vapour into a region, or completely eliminate severe weather phenomena. Weather Modification technologies that claim to achieve such large scale or dramatic effects do not have a sound scientific basis (e.g. hail canons, ionization methods) and should be treated with suspicion" "Purposeful augmentation of precipitation, reduction of hail damage, dispersion of fog and other types of cloud and storm modifications by cloud seeding are developing technologies which are still striving to achieve a sound scientific foundation."
Weather Modification, Inc. Projects
Clients & Projects
Antigua Antigua Cloud Seeding Project
Argentina Province of Mendoza Ministry of Economy
Australia Queensland Environmental Protection Agency
Burkina Faso Program SAAGA
Canada Alberta Hail Suppression Project
British Colombia Ministry of Forest
British Columbia Hydro and Power Authority
Saskatchewan National Hydrology Research Agency
Greece Greek National Hail Suppression Program (ELGA)
Hellenic Navy Supply Center
India Andhra Pradesh Rainfall Enhancement Project
Prakalpa Varsha – Maharashtra Rainfall Enhancement Project
Project Varuna – Karnataka Rainfall Enhancement Project
Indonesia BPPT Weather Modification Program
Jordan Arab Automated Systems
Heshamite Kingdom of Jordan
Mali Programme Sanji – Mali
Mexico Precipitation for Augmentation of Rain in Coahuila (PARC)
Morocco Programme Al-Ghait
Saudi Arabia Program for Cloud Physics Research and Rain Enhancement in the Kingdom of Saudi Arabia
World Meteorological Organization in cooperation with SAU/WMO/FIT Rain Enhancement Project
Senegal Republique du Senegal – Ministry of Armed Forces
Spain Canary Islands – AIRAO Incorporated
Thailand Bureau of Royal Rainmaking and Agricultural Aviation (BRRAA)
Turkey ISKI Rain Enhancement Program
Petkim Petrokimya Holding, A.S. Rain Enhancement Program
United Arab Emirates U.A.E. Rain Enhancement Program
U.A.E. Rainfall Enhancement and Air Chemistry Studies – DWRS
United States Aeromet, Inc. (L-3 Communications) – U.S Department of Defense
BAMEX – Bow Echo and Mesoscale Convective Vortex Experiment
CALIPSO – CloudSat Validation Experiment
Delaware Department of Agriculture Cloud Seeding Program
Edwards Aquifer Authority
Federal Aviation Administration – Great Lakes Division
Gratiot Weather Modification Project
Illinois Weather Modification Projects
National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration (NOAA)
National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration – National Hurricane Center
Naval Surface Warfare Center
Nevada State Cloud Seeding Program
New Mexico BLAST (Burst Light and Stratus Transmission) Project
North Dakota Cloud Modification Project (NDCMP)
North Dakota Thunderstorm Project – North Dakota Atmospheric Resource Board
North Dakota Tracer Experiment – North Dakota Atmospheric Resource Board
Northeast Sampling Program – Sonoma Technology, Inc.
NSF/NCAR ICE-L Field Campaign
Oklahoma Weather Modification Project (OWMP)
Panhandle Groundwater Conservation District Rainfall Enhancement Program
Santa Barbara County Water Agency
Sonoma Technology, Inc.
Stanislaus Weather Modification Program
State of South Dakota – Department of Natural Resources Division of Weather Modification
Texas Central High Plains Rainfall Enhancement Program
Texas Experiment in Augmenting Rainfall through Cloud Seeding (TEXARC)
Texas Weather Modification Program
The University of North Dakota – US Environmental Protection Agency
University of Arizona – National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration (NOAA)
Upper American River Cloud Seeding Project
Upper Payette River Basin Cloud Seeding Program
Upper Tuolumne River Weather Modification Program
Utah Division of Water Resources
Utah Division of Water Resources
West Central Texas Council of Governments Rainfall Enhancement Program
Western Dakota Water Development District – Black Hills Council of Local Government
Wyoming Weather Modification Pilot Program