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Originally posted by SOLIDSNAKE101
Peace treaty
If Christians and Jews paid tribute to Muhammad, they were allowed to remain Christian and Jewish
Originally posted by lonewolf19792000
reply to post by ollncasino
If Christians and Jews paid tribute to Muhammad, they were allowed to remain Christian and Jewish
Yes, it's called jizzya/zizzya poll tax, and if the christians or jews could not afford to cough up the ransom, what happened then? They would make their lives a living hell, and some converted to Islam just because life was so miserable for them, the choice was beatween converting to Islam or death. In essence you would end up being forced to convert for an easier life. Thats where the force comes into play, it was done subtily.
if a person couldnt pay then he was excused if his condition was not good, it was never forced to cough up.
Originally posted by lonewolf19792000
reply to post by logical7
if a person couldnt pay then he was excused if his condition was not good, it was never forced to cough up.
Psychology 101, if people could go Mafiosi and force a tax on people who have different beliefs, then condition would have no bearing on that person being taxed, because a lack of morality is what brings on said extortion in the first place, which is a sneaky and deceptive form of robbery. This is no different than a Mafia Don forcing someone who lives in "his" territory to pay for his "protection", and if said "customer" refuses to pay for that Mafia Don's protection then he'd send his goons in to rough him up, or possible break his legs until he does cough up the dough. Same mentallity, it's called extortion and that is what forcing the jizzya poll tax is, it's extortion.
When politically correct and culturally diverse societies agree to ‘the reasonable’ Muslim demands for their ‘religious rights,’ they also get the other components under the table. Here’s how it works (percentages source CIA: The World Fact Book (2007)).
As long as the Muslim population remains around 1% of any given country they will be regarded as a peace-loving minority and not as a threat to anyone. In fact, they may be featured in articles and films, stereotyped for their colorful uniqueness:
United States — Muslim 1.0%
Australia — Muslim 1.5%
Canada — Muslim 1.9%
China — Muslim 1%-2%
Italy — Muslim 1.5%
Norway — Muslim 1.8%
At 2% and 3% they begin to proselytize from other ethnic minorities and disaffected groups with major recruiting from the jails and among street gangs:
Denmark — Muslim 2%
Germany — Muslim 3.7%
United Kingdom — Muslim 2.7%
Spain — Muslim 4%
Thailand — Muslim 4.6%
From 5% on they exercise an inordinate influence in proportion to their percentage of the population.They will push for the introduction of halal (clean by Islamic standards) food, thereby securing food preparation jobs for Muslims. They will increase pressure on supermarket chains to feature it on their shelves — along with threats for failure to comply. ( United States ).
France — Muslim 8%
Philippines — Muslim 5%
Sweden — Muslim 5%
Switzerland — Muslim 4.3%
The Netherlands — Muslim 5.5%
Trinidad &Tobago — Muslim 5.8%
At this point, they will work to get the ruling government to allow them to rule themselves under Sharia, the Islamic Law. The ultimate goal of Islam is not to convert the world but to establish Sharia law over the entire world.
When Muslims reach 10% of the population, they will increase lawlessness as a means of complaint about their conditions ( Paris –car-burnings). Any non-Muslim action that offends Islam will result in uprisings and threats ( Amsterdam – Mohammed cartoons).
Guyana — Muslim 10%
India — Muslim 13.4%
Israel — Muslim 16%
Kenya — Muslim 10%
Russia — Muslim 10-15%
After reaching 20% expect hair-trigger rioting, jihad militia formations, sporadic killings and church and synagogue burning:
Ethiopia — Muslim 32.8%
At 40% you will find widespread massacres, chronic terror attacks and ongoing militia warfare:
Bosnia — Muslim 40%
Chad — Muslim 53.1%
Lebanon — Muslim 59.7%
From 60% you may expect unfettered persecution of non-believers and other religions, sporadic ethnic cleansing (genocide), use of Sharia Law as a weapon and Jizya, the tax placed on infidels:
Albania — Muslim 70%
Malaysia — Muslim 60.4%
Qatar — Muslim 77.5%
Sudan — Muslim 70%
After 80% expect State run ethnic cleansing and genocide:
Bangladesh — Muslim 83%
Egypt — Muslim 90%
Gaza — Muslim 98.7%
Indonesia — Muslim 86.1%
Iran — Muslim 98%
Iraq — Muslim 97%
Jordan — Muslim 92%
Morocco — Muslim 98.7%
Pakistan — Muslim 97%
Palestine — Muslim 99%
Syria — Muslim 90%
Tajikistan — Muslim 90%
Turkey — Muslim 99.8%
United Arab Emirates — Muslim 96%
100% will usher in the peace of ‘Dar-es-Salaam’ — the Islamic House of Peace — there’s (supposed) to be peace because everybody is a Muslim: we know however that this isnt true is it...?
Afghanistan — Muslim 100%
Saudi Arabia — Muslim 100%
Somalia — Muslim 100%
Yemen — Muslim 99.9%
Of course, that’s not the case. To satisfy their blood lust, Muslims then start killing other Muslims.
I have several Muslim friends, and they've expressed a few times that they cannot marry a woman who isn't Muslim, even if she were Christian
Originally posted by roguetechie
Islam FROM IT"S INCEPTION has claimed to be a religion of peace and love while somehow always managing to bring violence death degradation extortion and slavery in it's wake.
Originally posted by maung
There are no wirtten proof of authenticity of this. The method use by Bukhari or muslim only to complile as much as they can, eliminate some that obviously not true or fake. But the rest still cant be said authentic even some muslim said it is authentic and called shahih as can be trust.
Bukhari (11:626)
- "The Prophet said, 'No prayer is harder for the hypocrites than the Fajr and the 'Isha' prayers and if they knew the reward for these prayers at their respective times, they would certainly present themselves (in the mosques) even if they had to crawl.' The Prophet added, 'Certainly I decided to order the Mu'adh-dhin (call-maker) to pronounce Iqama and order a man to lead the prayer and then take a fire flame to burn all those who had not left their houses so far for the prayer along with their houses.'"
Muhammad orders his men to burn alive those who do not present themselves at the mosque for prayer.
Bukhari (11:626)
Koran 4:34
Men are in charge of women by [right of] what Allah has given one over the other and what they spend [for maintenance] from their wealth. So righteous women are devoutly obedient, guarding in [the husband's] absence what Allah would have them guard. But those [wives] from whom you fear arrogance - [first] advise them; [then if they persist], forsake them in bed; and [finally], strike them. But if they obey you [once more], seek no means against them. Indeed, Allah is ever Exalted and Grand.
Koran 4:34
Aisha narrates, "He struck me on the chest which caused me pain."
Hadith Muslim 4:2127
reply to post by logical7
And ya it was a subtle way to tell the person that he is wrong and if he strongly believed then a small tax or even whole wealth wouldnt be much to give for the sake of Saviour. Right?
Originally posted by butcherguy
reply to post by logical7
And ya it was a subtle way to tell the person that he is wrong and if he strongly believed then a small tax or even whole wealth wouldnt be much to give for the sake of Saviour. Right?
If that is the way you feel, I hope you wouldn't have a problem being taxed at 100% of your income....
Just for being whatever you are.
Muslims like to emphasise 'peace'
when translating Islam into English
but prefer to underplay 'submission
and obedience' until they are in a
position to enforce it.
Sahih Muslim, Book 004, Number
2127: Muhammad b. Qais said (to the
people): Should I not narrate to you
(a hadith of the Holy Prophet) on my
authority and on the authority of my
mother? We thought that he meant
the mother who had given him birth. He (Muhammad b. Qais) then
reported that it was ''A''isha who had
narrated this: Should I not narrate to
you about myself and about the
Messenger of Allah (may peace be
upon him)? We said: Yes. She said: When it was my turn for Allah''s
Messenger (may peace be upon him)
to spend the night with me, he
turned his side, put on his mantle
and took off his shoes and placed
them near his feet, and spread the corner of his shawl on his bed and
then lay down till he thought that I
had gone to sleep. He took hold of
his mantle slowly and put on the
shoes slowly, and opened the door
and went out and then closed it lightly. I covered my head, put on my
veil and tightened my waist wrapper,
and then went out following his
steps till he reached Baqi''. He stood
there and he stood for a long time.
He then lifted his hands three times, and then returned and I also
returned. He hastened his steps and I
also hastened my steps. He ran and I
too ran. He came (to the house) and I
also came (to the house). I, however,
preceded him and I entered (the house), and as I lay down in the bed,
he (the Holy Prophet) entered the
(house), and said: Why is it, O
''A''isha, that you are out of breath? I
said: There is nothing. He said: Tell
me or the Subtle and the Aware would inform me. I said: Messenger
of Allah, may my father and mother
be ransom for you, and then I told
him (the whole story). He said: Was it
the darkness (of your shadow) that I
saw in front of me? I said: Yes. He struck me on the chest which caused
me pain, and then said: Did you think
that Allah and His Apostle would deal
unjustly with you? She said:
Whatsoever the people conceal, Allah
will know it. He said: Gabriel came to me when you saw me. He called me
and he concealed it from you. I
responded to his call, but I too
concealed it from you (for he did not
come to you), as you were not fully
dressed. I thought that you had gone to sleep, and I did not like to
awaken you, fearing that you may be
frightened. He (Gabriel) said: Your
Lord has commanded you to go to
the inhabitants of Baqi'' (to those
lying in the graves) and beg pardon for them. I said: Messenger of Allah,
how should I pray for them (How
should I beg forgiveness for them)?
He said: Say, Peace be upon the
inhabitants of this city (graveyard)
from among the Believers and the Muslims, and may Allah have mercy
on those who have gone ahead of
us, and those who come later on,
and we shall, God willing, join you.
"Struck" is a bad translation here. The word used is 'lahaza' , which
could be translated as "Push" and at most "slap with an open palm" but
not a hard, violent slap (and note
translating it as "slap" is weaker and
less probable). A correct translation
would be: - He pushed me (lahadani) in the chest (fi sadri) with a push (lahdatan)which made me sore (awja'atni).
Originally posted by logical7
A correct translation would be: - He pushed me (lahadani) in the chest (fi sadri) with a push (lahdatan) which made me sore (awja'atni).