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Originally posted by flyswatter
Originally posted by Iwinder
reply to post by flyswatter
Quote "As far as that video goes, it's been laughed off of ATS more times than I care to count. The pictures show the interior of planes set up for in-flight testing of weight distribution.
But really ... do you have anything that hasnt actually been rehashed on here a few hundred times?"
All this wisdom from a member whom joined just this year........I do believe your post was a bit harsh considering your past post history.
Regards, Iwinder
My apologies if you think it might be harsh, but I'm not really all that concerned with hurting someone's feelings on here. If I was, I would sugar coat everything and come at it from a land of glitter and unicorns,
I have been a huge aviation enthusiast all of my life,
why are contrails only made of crystilized fuel and vapor that dissipate with the movement of the plane, and only last for brief moments say 30sec. to 1 min or so?
Originally posted by GoldNGone
You've eaten it all up from the chemtrail believers - hook, line, and sinker.
First - the whole Evergreen thing has been gone over on ATS many times. Take your time, do a few searches, and you'll see that it has been beaten like the proverbial dead horse.
Second, living close to an airport would actually be rather counterproductive to your viewing experience. This is again something that has been beaten to death on ATS, explained time and time again. If you've not done a search or not spent a great deal of time here, you may not know this. Take your time, do your searches on here, see what theories hold water and what theories have been completely smashed by both reason and evidence.
As far as that video goes, it's been laughed off of ATS more times than I care to count. The pictures show the interior of planes set up for in-flight testing of weight distribution.
But really ... do you have anything that hasnt actually been rehashed on here a few hundred times?edit on 28-11-2012 by flyswatter because: (no reason given)
Originally posted by flyswatter
Originally posted by Iwinder
reply to post by flyswatter
Quote "As far as that video goes, it's been laughed off of ATS more times than I care to count. The pictures show the interior of planes set up for in-flight testing of weight distribution.
But really ... do you have anything that hasnt actually been rehashed on here a few hundred times?"
All this wisdom from a member whom joined just this year........I do believe your post was a bit harsh considering your past post history.
Regards, Iwinder
Time registered and stars and flags ... absolutely irrelevant, and meaningless in every sense of the word. If I wanted kudos, I'd have been posting for years and creating threads about 9/11 and Ron Paul conspiracies. I'm not really concerned with being a bit harsh, sorry.edit on 28-11-2012 by flyswatter because: (no reason given)
Originally posted by InhaleExhale
reply to post by Amanda5
You have not answered anything I asked sorry,
If you do not wish to participate then no one is forcing you,
I have asked the question numerous times about how with the naked eye or on video/photo does one tell and convince themselves they are seeing chemtrails and not contrails?
None answer, so I speculate that the people who make such claims that they see and film chemtrails must have bionic eyes to see what only a chemical analysis could give a definitive answer for.
Your statements about chemtrails lingering for hours and contrails cant is rubbish and as you say if one conducts their own research properly would see the silliness in such a claim.
Originally posted by Oneggod
Contrails are air & water vapers that are made when planes go through cold air
& they disolve quite quickly.
Chemtrails do not disolve quickly
Australia doesn't get hazy like America does.
We do not have anything like the fog that rolls into LA & then disappears out to sea. The only fog we get is in Winter in the early morning because of the cold temp.
The other day I saw the first fog ever driving to work at 9am & I thought that's very weird as it is stinking hot, why is there fog & very thick fog at that.
Just because you can't get your head around Chemtrails do not mean they are not true
, maybe you just need to do a bit more research on them.
Originally posted by GoldNGone
reply to post by flyswatter
I didn't know I was dealing with the "public discernment servant" ehh such as life? Maybe you should leave the "facts" for people to discern for themselves? Good for you.... Save the world one thread at a time?
To everyone else thanks for going easy on a new "member" not user of this site.... I originally joined to communicate with intelligent like minded individuals, and for the most part I have. Don't worry I wont let one lame forge my experience at this site, as I know most people here are well intended people....Myself being one of them.
Maybe flyswatter will go home and kick the cat to feel better about himself?
Originally posted by flyswatter
Originally posted by GoldNGone
reply to post by flyswatter
If I had a cat to kick I might try that.
If one is not given the facts, one cannot understand what the facts are. If someone is presenting things that are patently false, denying ignorance (site motto!) should be the first step of anyone noticing this.
But all joking aside, you've been given the facts. Now you do have the opportunity to be a discerning citizen and look at them for yourself. Literature dealing with persistent contrails is all over the place; one meeting with our friend Google will give you enough reading to choke a small horse.
If you'd like to debate what posted in regards to those facts, I'm all ears. Or eyes, whatever. I'll even do my best to be a bit less harsh, if I can find a cat to kick.
Always up for discussion don't really care to debate a basically non-scientific issue? You would have to use gas chromotography or mass spectography to fully analyse the composition of these "chem-trails" to begin with.
Then you have to ask yourself, why would they spray the sky? My answer to that is for many reasons mostly for new energy based weapons and technology I suppose, the HAARP antenna's actual patent calls for barium to be sprayed in a grid pattern to maximize the effectiveness of the antenna.
EVER HEARD OF PROJECT "CLOVER LEAF"?
Project Cloverleaf — The Science Behind it
It involves the combination of chemtrails for creating an atmosphere that will support electromagnetic waves, ground-based, electromagnetic field oscillators called gyrotrons, and ionospheric heaters. Particulates make directed energy weapons work better. It has to do with “steady state” and particle density for plasma beam propagation. They spray barium powders and let it photo-ionize from the ultraviolet light of the sun. Then, they make an aluminum-plasma generated by “zapping” the metal cations that are in the spray with either electromagnetics from HAARP, the gyrotron system on the ground [Ground Wave Emergency Network], or space-based lasers. The barium makes the aluminum-plasma more particulate dense. This means they can make a denser plasma than they normally could from just ionizing the atmosphere or the air. More density [more particles] means that these particles which are colliding into each other will become more charged because there are more of them present to collide. What are they ultimately trying to do up there — is create charged-particle, plasma beam weapons.
Chemtrails are the medium – GWEN pulse radars, the various HAARPs, and space-based lasers are the method, or more simply: Chemtrails are the medium — directed energy is the method. Spray and Zap.
The chemtrail sprays have various elements in them like carbon which can used to absorb microwaves. Some of these sprays have metal flakes in them that make aerial craft invisible to radar. Spoofer sprays. Sprays like these can be used to create colorful, magnetized plasmas to cloak fighter jets.
This is all quoted from a site, but none the less there you go.... Project cloverleaf is just one old project at that, I'm sure it has evolved more than most could imagine?
Besides if everything had to be a "fact" there would be no conspiracy "THEORY"? It wouldn't be a theory now would it?
Sometimes simple intelligent observation speaks for it's self? Observe, compare, take notes, rinse wash repeat.
I'm not in any way trying to deliberately post false information, I would never deliberately mislead or misinform anyone, as that would be against my moral code of ethics.
Sincerely, GoldNGone
Originally posted by Aloysius the Gaul
Why do you assume that project cloverleaf is anything other than a science fiction story?
The patent for the HAARP also includes a barium aerosol to be sprayed in a grid pattern to maximize effectiveness.
Originally posted by Phage
reply to post by GoldNGone
The patent for the HAARP also includes a barium aerosol to be sprayed in a grid pattern to maximize effectiveness.
Please point out that part of the "HAARP patent" (which isn't actually for HAARP).
www.google.com...
Originally posted by GoldNGone
Don't know if the patent you had is the original or correct one and no I could not find it on that site.....
So i did my own search and found it f
or ya. Here you go....
concen.org...
U.S. Pat. No. 4,042,196
Inventors: Brice; Neil M. (McLean, VA)
Assignee: Cornell Research Foundation, Inc. (Ithaca, NY)
Appl. No.: 05/164,793
Filed: July 21, 1971
It has also been proposed to release large clouds of barium in
the magnetosphere so that photoionization will increase the cold
plasma density, thereby producing electron precipitation through
enhanced whistler-mode interaction.
In your information posted it doesn't even call it what it really is.... Interferomoter?
So there you go
Originally posted by GoldNGone
Originally posted by Aloysius the Gaul
Why do you assume that project cloverleaf is anything other than a science fiction story?
With all due respect, I'm "assuming" that it's more than fiction, because the HAARP antenna is a real thing?
The patent for the HAARP also includes a barium aerosol to be sprayed in a grid pattern to maximize effectiveness.
Not to mention the military has been interested in many different aerosol applications. The military also distributes vaccines that are insufflate (or inhale/ snort). So there are instances and applications to use aerosol based compounds, even viruses? It would be very easy to vaccinate a large population all at once using the afore mentioned technology. Would it not?
But to the people that say prove that chemtrails exist? I say prove that they don't?
The reality of it is, all we can really do is observe and question.