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Originally posted by Seekerof
Seems to me that this topic is another "lets bash Christianity because" type, though I may be wrong. Time will only tell, eh?
Originally posted by Amadeus
Hi Saint4 God:
If people "do not stick with something that fails" (or is evil etc.) than how do you explain the presence of more than 25 million neo-Nazis still clinging to their cherished dream of world domination literally scatttered all over the world today---all busy reading Mein Kampf for inspiration the way a Jew does his Talmud?
The "Nazorean" Church that was founded by "Jesus" 'blood brother James after the crucifixion---more or less failed in its pure unadulterated form as messianic movement----the Jewish War of AD 66 took care of most of them---and what "took over" Christianity after AD 70 was the gentile- goyim firendly Pauline Church founded and spread abroad by a man (born in Turkey!) who never once set eyes on the historical "jesus" but only saw lights and heard voices in dreams and visions---a bit like my cook.
If the original message of "Jesus" were to be kept in tact still today in the original Galilean Aramaic dialect in which he spoke (i.e. if he wrote down his teachings exactly the way he taught them himself) we would not recognise much of what he had to say compared to the way Christians believe----nor would we like much of what it would contain...
It would have appeared overtly racist to modern 21st century audiences, and might have sounded a little like the Dead Sea Scroll's War Scroll in its race -prejudice... read Matthew chapter 15 (a Nazorean inspired writing)
("I have not come to save any but the Lost Sheep of the House of Israel" he told a poor gentile woman who had come to him for help..."and anyway, since when is it right to take the bread of the Children out of their mouths and throw it to the dogs underneath the table?") etc.
Not very nice speech, by any stretch. So his zionist rhetoric was deliberatley softened in order to sell his message to the goyim (gentiles).
The original message would have had to have been adapted and changed to suite the goyim---before it died out completely---
If his original speech was allowed to stick (without all the goyim loving Pauline twists and turns) "Christians" would still be called Nazoreans, and would never have broken away from Judaeism----or from obeying the Torah or having circumcision mandatory or keeping kosher diet laws---things that he and his brother demanded before admission to his "Yahad" (Community) ---in other words, the religion of "R. Yehoshua bar Yosef" (which was imbedded within 2nd Temple Judaeism) would have not been very much different that Rabinninc Judaeism today...just another sect --in other words we would see them in the list of Rabinnic style Judaeisms practiced today (Ultra Orthodox, Orthodox, Observant, Reform with "Nazorean" added....) etc.
What evidence can you give me stating that Jesus Christ was born in Turkey? I'm not saying you're wrong, however I've never heard it mentioned. It sounds pretty interesting though.
Originally posted by saint4God
People on the whole will not stick with something that fails
if he were here today he would not even recognize his teachings!
Originally posted by W_HAMILTON
And so on, and so on. That's the only one quality I admire about Christianity: it has a lasting quality due to the fact it can be interpreted in any way.
Originally posted by bet555
GO INTO a Pentecostal church ... sit there just through the worship ... and See if you cannot feel god if you cannot feel god after than come back and talk to me and I will talk to you about Demons and how they can get in between us and god b/c of prior experiences even if it has nothing to do with god. But if something happend in any of you guys life at one time if you do not believ in god .... YOU BLAMED IT ON GOD !!! ... How can you blame something on someone that you do not believe in ... and why are you even in here talking about him if you do not believe in him this thread is of the devil just trying to pull people away from God.