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Originally posted by Imtor
reply to post by The Shrike
You have the right to doubt, exactly because of the 'hearsay' existing. But you should not exclude and be certain of non-existence, exactly because it's vague and secret and evidence and secrecy do NOT go together.
What's the matter with those naysayers? Can't they realize how something they have no evidence of can still exist? Again this example:
Hypthetical case: I have invented a secret weapon. No one knows it exists, some guy did know. Ok but this guy disappeared and all that reached public was some guy who knew of it but no one heard or saw pictures of that guy, yet alone of the weapon.
Skeptics or Pseudoskeptics would come and say: There is no such weapon, there is no evidence.
And the fact: The weapon stays where it is, with no one ever reaching it again.
So does this mean it doesn't exist? See? That's why it is correct to stay open minded for possibilities if not being certain of it.
We are not talking about claiming as facts things that are not proven, just ope-minded for any possibilities, is it SO HARD?? :/edit on 25-11-2012 by Imtor because: (no reason given)
Originally posted by xpoq47
reply to post by The Shrike
Well, since you’re claiming solid sightings, it might be helpful if you would elaborate, with drawings or detailed descriptions. At least some exterior features of a mysterious object allow somewhat informed conjecture about it.
Also, what alternative(s) to the ETH do you favor?
I have mentioned in more than one thread the possibility (albeit remote) that humans already in space during a catastrophe that knocked a more advanced human society back to the Stone Age 20,000 years or so ago may have survived and developed and, unable to help the survivors on Earth much, decided to only observe, while developing the ability to protect Earth from asteroid strikes and even a possible future alien invasion. Another theory that implicates humans is the notion of a secret society that uses technology based on the work of Nikola Tesla.
Originally posted by DocHolidaze
reply to post by The Shrike
there are people that knew the world was flat, because there was no evidence to say otherwise, but alas evidence was uncovered, and what was once fact is now false. when we close are mind we hinder discovery. please stop trying to close peoples minds
Originally posted by talklikeapirat
reply to post by The Shrike
Have you ever examined a substantial number or at least any of the cases in Karl12s' "Puerto Rico-series"? If not, it would seem you're more concerned with the 'gullible believers' then actually finding the truth. If you have, what do you think?
Originally posted by nightmare_david
Where's the evidence for anything you consider fact? Honestly, where is it? Don't use books or anything said by others because you constantly say that proves nothing when others do it.
You once posted images of an alleged UFO sighting you had, yes? To you that was hard evidence, yet you'll turn around and quickly call others liars or fools if they post images of a UFO sighting they had. Why? Are you really soo full of yourself that you can't except anything else as real unless it comes directly from you?
This thread proves beyond a shadow of a doubt how full of yourself you really are. You can't stand the fact that people call you out on your obvious BS left and right, so you want the rules changed so you can do even more of what you constantly do already. That's clearly all this thread is about. More attention seeking from you by creating a thread you know will pull in the ones you constantly talk down to so you can get in the usual name calling. Then when they turn it around on you, you have the nerve to whine about it as if you're innocent of never doing it? Really?
Seriously? Admins/mods of ATS. You really can't see the true intention of every single thread he creates? Google around and look at how many forums and blogs this guy does this on. It's disturbing.
Originally posted by Bluesma
reply to post by The Shrike
Thank you for making it clear to me why I should stay away from this forum.
As much as I get a little irritated with the fanatics who believe they know all about extraterrestrials, I don't find them nearly as painful to deal with as the ones that make fun of those of us who had traumatic experiences.
People like you.
See, if the believers had the same experiences, it wouldn't be traumatic- aliens are a part of their world view, their concepts of reality.
Unfortunately, these things happen also to people who do not believe, and who normally laugh at the suggestion, so then it becomes traumatic because they cannot accept their own direct experience. Having others make fun of them accentuates the damage.
There are cases of people who made up stories, but those are the ones you are most likely to hear about.
I have had contact with many many people in private, who are normal people, with no interest in beliefs of ET life, who have had these experiences repeatedly, and they don't dare tell anyone.
I will probably pay seriously one day when a potential employer finds posts like this or something. But like people that have been victim of thigns liek rape, I feel like once in a while someone needs to speak out, partly to be supportive of the others.
I don't feel sorry for your desire to "have at 'em" - you can get through your day without poking and hurting people, even those if you consider them sick, crazy, delusional, or dishonest. It won't do anything to you to stay away from them.
edit on 26-11-2012 by Bluesma because: (no reason given)
Originally posted by Rubicant13
Yes we as humans are prone to lie. And all humans do. There is no human being out there that has not lied in one form or another in their life; it's impossible not to forever. But I believe some people have solid experiences. I saw the only ufo I have ever seen in my life on April 12th, 1998. It happened so fast and unexpectedly that I had simply no time to grab a camera. In less then 2 seconds it flew over my old house and was gone. The news in my area did a piece that very night about how there were hundreds of reports of seeing this very fast ufo that same night in my area, as well as 5 other counties within a twenty minute time frame. I cannot give solid proof of what I saw via pictures or video. But I know 100% that I saw it, as it was no hallucination and is not a lie in any way. The other 3 people of my household saw it that same night as well as me. We even experienced lost time phenomenon - losing over an hour and 42 minutes in the span of a few scant seconds. Some sightings it just is not possible to provide "proof." Some circumstances make it impossible. I understand the part of disbelieving without evidence to show others - but that does not mean that all lie about these experiences.
It's why I keep an open mind to such stories of these things here. Who is to know if the person posting about it is lying? They could be speaking completely honestly.
Originally posted by The Shrike
Instead of wasting your time replying to my thread, why don't you simply start a thread outlining your experiences and provide evidence to take it out of the hearsay category 'cause until you can provide evidence it will always be hearsay. I'm not interested in tales, there's a billion of them. Heck, even Strieber made them sound interesting in his novels and they are novels 'cause he also never provided evidence. But, hey, he IS an author!
Seriously? Admins/mods of ATS. You really can't see the true intention of every single thread he creates? Google around and look at how many forums and blogs this guy does this on. It's disturbing.
I don't see you nor any other Mods getting involved when your beloved believers think it's alright to fling hatred, insults, and disrespect on those that do not agree with their distorted beliefs.
And what do you mean by "finding the truth"? What truth? About what? From whom? Who decides what is truth? Evidence is truth.
No one knew the world was flat
Originally posted by IamAbeliever
reply to post by The Shrike
All that exist are unprobable hearsay, assumptions and speculation. No one has ever produced solid evidence of an encounter. In fact, those that have claimed encounters have usually done so to make a buck off the gullible.
Sounds to me like you're describing religion and every television evangelist that has ever lived.
Just sayin'.edit on 25-11-2012 by IamAbeliever because: (no reason given)
Originally posted by DocHolidaze
reply to post by The Shrike
there are people that knew the world was flat, because there was no evidence to say otherwise, but alas evidence was uncovered, and what was once fact is now false. when we close are mind we hinder discovery. please stop trying to close peoples minds
Originally posted by newcovenant
reply to post by The Shrike
There are truckloads of evidence in the form of physical, chemical, trace evidence, scientific data and radar readings. There are many untampered with, irrefutable photographs. There are hundreds of encounters that are not considered hear say when multiple credible witness describe the same event. Corroborating evidence as well as expert witness testimony has also been introduced in more cases than I have time to mention. Your basic premise is inaccurate which voids this particular argument and thread, which isn't really an argument, but an opinion. It is simply denial without proof or evidence to support it.
edit on 26-11-2012 by newcovenant because: (no reason given)
Originally posted by something wicked
Originally posted by IamAbeliever
reply to post by The Shrike
All that exist are unprobable hearsay, assumptions and speculation. No one has ever produced solid evidence of an encounter. In fact, those that have claimed encounters have usually done so to make a buck off the gullible.
Sounds to me like you're describing religion and every television evangelist that has ever lived.
Just sayin'.edit on 25-11-2012 by IamAbeliever because: (no reason given)
Ah, that old chestnut, often used on this forum, but never in a real context. Religion is faith based - if you have proof then there would be no need for faith and therefore no religion. You may not like that, and it seems hard for some people to grasp, but that's the case. Stating a belief that there is high probability of lifeon other planets is a great theory, and most on here would be open to that. Stating that you regularly receive visitations from Extra Terristrials without any supporting evidence is a different matter entirely.