Freemasonrys hidden "Baal-sex-worship" and its relation to ritual abuse

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Originally posted by JB1234
There's another great thread on ATS - All Roads Lead to Babylon

This thread discusses the phalic symbols of Nimrod who became Baal the ancient pagan Sun God his wife/mother Semiramis and their son Tammuz. Although not an account specifically mentioned in the Bible - the characters of Nimrod, Cush & Semiramis and Shem are of course mentioned as close descendants of Noah -

Jospehus apparently also wrote about Shem killing Nimrod because he became a mighty warrior - the Bible calls him as well as being a mighty hunter in opposition to God - as the one who founded calling on God's name (in a defamatory way) and passed into other lands not originally apportioned to him and killed some of Shem's relatives in the process. Shem as a worshipper of the God of Noah - Jehovah - went after Nimrod and killed him. Josephus and other writers state - by cutting him up into 12 pieces.

Semiramis (Nimrod's mother and widow of his father Cush) who married her son and bore a child Tammuz - vowed to avenge her husband's death by a blood ritual to resurrect Nimrod - by putting his pieces together. Apparently the one part she failed to find was his penis or phalic symbol. Thereon unable to re-assemble Nimrod - Semiramis then claimed to all the followers of this God of war that he had risen to the heavens to become the Sun God Baal. Who became a famed Pagan God associated with sexual rites, blood and human sacrifice particularly child sacrifice.

What I didn't realise until I read that thread was that apparently these accounts form the Mystery of Babylon and is actually a central tenet of the occult and Satanism.

Both ancient Sumerian and Egyptian worship included much sexual ritulistic worship within it and interesting to see that the Pole of Baal , mentioned many times in the Bible as something detestable to the God of the Hebrews - Jehovah - is now being associated with modern day sex abuse involving Freemasonary and the elite class in the UK as well as potentially an international ring. Some of these Egyptian sexual rituals are literally only coming to light currently as many more tablets containing Hyroglyphs are being translated currently.

The worship or Cult of Baal also involved child sacrifice - whereby the firstborn Sons and daughters had to be sacrificed to this God by his followers - by burning them alive as infants - In the Bible this practice was specifically condemned by the God of the Israelites as something detestable and forbidden in the Torah an act "not even coming up into the heart of the true God", (which makes the teaching of hellfire by any supposed followers of Jesus odd)

All over the Western world people have been laying wreaths at War Memorials today as a Remembrance of the Dead of War - How ironic that these epitaphs take the shape of obelisks which are basically the Phalic symbol of Nimrod - the God of War and a symbol of a ray of the Sun to the Egyptians. I wonder how many dignatories, clergy etc realise this??!!! Effectively they appear to be bowing down to a Pagan God.

However in Alex Jones case - he would argue that World leaders literally and knowingly do this each year at the feet of a 40ft effigy of the Sumerian God Molech who is of course associated with Baal and Sun worship at Bohemiam Grove.

Fascinating stuff and it is sobering to say the least to see how this thread ties all this in with honouring Nimrod - the original God of War and the heinous sexual abuse of children, which is now being uncovered here in the UK.

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Yes why do so many dismiss the similarities all over the world as coincidence? A couple of examples.

The Vatican for instance


Washington



What does this one mean in a masonic Graveyard?


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Obelisk also equals lightning rod. Symbol of power.

Ask yourself why the Vatican is shaped like a key and its symbol is two keys.

Then ask yourself why UBS' corporate symbol is three keys.

Rabbit holes are for kids.

Originally posted by mr10k

Originally posted by lonewolf19792000

Originally posted by mr10k

Originally posted by lonewolf19792000
reply to post by eastendkid

 

Ritual sex-magic was also a part of Ashtoreth (the queen of heaven) worship, which Jezebel, the wife of Ahab was party to. Using sex to control men, now take a look at the pornography industry, all the sex toys and vibrators and the putting of women upon a pedestal and making them sex objects. Rabbithole goes deep.

Well the porn industry exists because men like sex. That's just how it is. That rabbit hole isn't very deep...

No the porn industry exists because people like to take advantages of men and their wallets.

That's basically what I just said. You are disagreeing with your previous post. Men like sex, which is why they enjoy spending money to watch sex and have sex. It has nothing to do with rituals performed hundreds of years ago. Vibrators have nothing to do with men, they exist so females can have better "alone time" with themselves. The only thing vibrators have to do with men is the fact it's in the form of a phallus. You can use a broom handle or a cucumber and a cell phone and get the same effect. Sex has always been used to control men, for the shear fact that men love sex. That's just it. There isn't any conspiracy there.

Rape, Porn, Prostitution exist because men love to have sex. People see profit in this of course, and they make money off of it. It's a business investment. Men will always love sex, and thus, there will always be porn. Even if there were no women, I'm sure we would see a few DVD's here and there.

And you think the rape of babies is also about men liking to have sex and that's it? Like the little 6 month old that just died because dad raped her in her mouth and his condom was sucked down her throat. This is becoming a frequent report.

www.blackmediascoop.com...

This is Men liking sex?

I would say there is something Big something EVIL going on all around us and we close our eyes because we can't bare or are afraid to see!

Originally posted by Beelzebubba
reply to post by KhufuKeplerTriangle

 

Hi y'all,
i was just toolin' around the ol' ATS and came upon this thread and saw this link to twitchy's obelisk thread and thought I'd throw this one out there. It's a thread I made after twitchy's thread was closed. It's called "Interesting Place to Find a Masonic Obelisk Thread" (ya see what I did there?). I thought it may be of some interest. No one replied back in the day, and that made me sad. :www.abovetopsecret.com...

Have a wonderful day!
Bubba

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What is the US Twin Needle mentioned in your thread?

reply to post by AfterInfinity


For the record, I have no idea if Freemason's are involved in the systematic abuse of children via an elite paedophile ring - however some of their imagery does have echoes of Sumerian Pagan symbols of worship, which go ALL the way back to pagan Nimrod/Baal worship.

That said I DO believe that Satanic sects do exist and that abuse of children and other such heinous acts do go on in secret. The evidence does appear to be mounting that many world leaders may indulge in occult practices and this may also indicate many of the elite class are involved in systematic, devious and hidden acts.

The Bible clearly states who the ruler of the world is and it ain't Jesus or his heavenly father that's for sure - It is his arch enemy Satan & the demons who pull the strings in this world behind the scenes - as Paul stated in 1 Corinthians 2:6. ".....the rulers of this system of things, who are to come to nothing." It was written in the accounts of Jesus life that following his baptism - one of the matters Satan tempted Jesus with was to offer him all the kingdoms of the Earth if he would carry out just one act of worship to him and not to his heavenly father - Satan could hardly offer Jesus the whole earth if he wasn't in control. So whether you believe in the Bible or not - the Scriptures do identify that if he exists a powerful force of evil would actually be controlling things on the Earth in the background.

Of course if you do not believe in the Bible, you may also deny the existence of God or Satan, which of course many may do.

However it doesn't shy away from the fact that many abuse victims from care homes are claiming to have been forced into "Satanic ritual abuse" and also claim that this involves men with the assistance of women in some cases - in positions of power.

You therefore have to ask Why would sophisticated individuals in positions of power involve themselves in such rituals. Why risk such condemnation should you be found out? Unless they feel that they derive extra pleasure or indeed power from perpurtrating abuse during such rituals instead of just exercising their sexual appetites outside of a ritualistic involvement. To simply laugh at this evidence and deny it goes on when victims are coming forward saying that ritual abuse is and has been happening - is just not helpful at all and only serves to cover over heinous acts instead of exposing them to the full glare of public scrutiny.

These people may have for many decades escaped accountability for the very reason their acts were kept secret - Exposure and accountability are their enemies, however distasteful and unpalatable the truth of the matter maybe to all of us.

Originally posted by FraternitasSaturni
Wow... how nonsense threads on ats prevail is still a mystery to me after all these years...

So you KNOW that factions of this organization are not doing these things? How is it for sure "nonsense"?

So sad inquiring minds are not more admired by people in ATS as this is how "truth" is found and "lies" uncovered.

Look how many Above Top Secret members stared you for simply saying something is nonsense off the top of your head...that is what is truly sad!

Originally posted by VeritasAequitas
reply to post by eastendkid

 

At it's highest level it's sex worship. The 'G' sometimes seen in the square and compass doesn't stand for "God" it stands for the "Generative Principle" (S*x).

This is incorrect on both accounts. It doesn't stand for God or Generative Principle. It stands for Geometry, because Geometry is language of the Uni-Verse or One-Word.

The square represents the male and the compass - the female etc.

This is incorrect as well; The square represents the finite body, while the circle represents the infinite soul. This is where the masonic aspiration of 'squaring the circle' comes from.

If you look at Leonardo da Vinci's illustration of the Vitruvian man, you will see that he used a squared circle, the same symbol created by the overlapping of both masonic instruments.

Is there anything that you know about Freemasonry that came from direct study of their texts; or from the egregious interpretations of the profane?

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A high level Freemason on a documentery I watched said "the G stands for God, a higher power, no particular God".

There are two distinct meaning given for the letter G: the first is for Geometry, and the second is for God. This is very clear in the two different versions given for it, as outlined in the Second Degree work. At the end of the Tracing Board lecture in the Second Degree, the following statement occurs, in reference to the seven who make the Lodge perfect:

Some of the earlier drawing have the G and the Blazing Star separate, however, gradually these two symbols were incorporated into one and, about the same time, the general usage of G standing for God, and, specifically in the Second Degree, the Grand Geometrician came into play.

The most specific reference to the letter G having another meaning occurs in a French Exposure of 1744, Le Catéchisme des Francs Maçons, and in outlining how the Entered Apprentice became a Fellow Craft, describes the journey into the Middle Chamber of the Temple with the catechism – Q. When you entered [the middle chamber] what did you see? A. A great Light in which I perceived the Letter G. Q. What does the Letter G signify? A. God, that is to say DIEU, or one who is greater than you.

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Originally posted by Char-Lee

The most specific reference to the letter G having another meaning occurs in a French Exposure of 1744, Le Catéchisme des Francs Maçons, and in outlining how the Entered Apprentice became a Fellow Craft, describes the journey into the Middle Chamber of the Temple with the catechism – Q. When you entered [the middle chamber] what did you see? A. A great Light in which I perceived the Letter G. Q. What does the Letter G signify? A. God, that is to say DIEU, or one who is greater than you.

freemasonry.bcy.ca...

Well, that last bit is fairly telling... The word for "God" starts with a D in most languages... Deus, Dei, Déu, Dio, Diyos, Dieu, Dia, Dievs, Dievas, Dumnezeu, Duw...

It's only in English and the Germanic and nordic languages that it starts with a G.

I can't say any of that made sense. G? Q? What does Q have to do with G? How about being a little more specific?

Originally posted by Char-Lee

What does this one mean in a masonic Graveyard?

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It has a very complex meaning. Once you advance to the sublime degree of master mason, it is explained to you in the lecture. Or you could look it up. But the first is the best way to learn about it.

reply to post by network dude

You see, that is why people hate Masons. Because you always say we need to get a secret decoder ring to understand your art and your organization.

You play a game with people instead of just being honest and coming right out and explaining "this is what this means."

You intentionally frustrate. That is playing a game.

You had a chance to educate. Instead you spat in our faces.

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One can ill afford to be vague and generalizing when slandering. Being the accuser the burden of proof lies with you.

Freemasonry allows men of various personality types.

What Masons are pissing people off?

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I'm guessing your alluding to the shooting death that occurred during a "Fellow-Craft Club" initiation (not recently). It was not a Masonic ceremony, but a group of men from the Lodge who used a prank to initiate into their little clique. It went horribly wrong and they were punished accordingly. Nothing was swept under the rug.

I personally know of an ex mason who was in the hospital and was not feeling like himself after heart surgery and was arguing with his wife about going home. She took a shower in his room and he pulled a gun out of her purse and shot through the bathroom wall.

And this is the fault of the Masons how?

What I understand about freemason's teachings is that it totally suckers many into a sentimentality about being a part of a club and clubs have representations and meanings behind the symbols and all the nice uber important stuff.

That's no what our teachings are about at all.

...let me make it very clear that I am completely unimpressed by any excuses for secrecy with all they've got their hands in.

Secrecy was traditionally was needed because the values we espoused would have earned the wrath of the tyrannical governments who feared free-thinking and liberty. Today our secrecy is really only privacy, but your kind tries to use "secrecy" as some kind of taboo. There's nothing inherently wrong with secrecy nor do we need to justify our privacy.

So, really... why be associated which such "brothers" You can't be unique on your own and just want to be associated with this bad reputation secret society?

I have some great Brothers and I have some Brothers I sometimes want to smack up side the head. I have Brothers of great wealth and some of a modest life. The image you draw and what the reputation of the Masons really is are two different things. Plus there is more to Masonry than what is in England. I have a great deal of respect for the British Masons and sorrow for the defamation they go through.

You want support for bombing Iran? Talk to freemasons.

Not all Freemasons agree with the idea of bombing Iran. We're composed of men of various beliefs and ideologies.

And why shouldn't they? They've got so many colorful symbols and rituals to be proud of.

Our symbols are great and with many great meanings. Why should I not be proud of them?

I try to show how Masonry is occult, and itself a secret-sex cult eg. phallus obelisks worship, masons covering their most "sacred area" with an apron, masonic "G", etc

I adamantly disagree with this.

Masonry is an 'umbrella' organization. No one doctrine is preached, in fact, the various symbols are merely 'empty containers' which the prospective aspirants fills with whatever spiritual beliefs he or she may have.

That is what first needs to be understood. Not all masons are involved in 'sex magic'. In fact, the vast majority are upright, law abiding, decent people.

The 'G' sometimes seen in the square and compass doesn't stand for "God" it stands for the "Generative Principle" (S*x)

LOL, first time I've ever heard that.

In fact, it probably refers to Gnosis, since that is the nature of the organization.

I've also read that the G could be understood along three levels of God (the supreme principle), gnosis (the means towards knowing the supreme principle) and geometry (the form the supreme principle expresses itself).


As for 'sex abuse'. Undoubtedly there are sick and demented people - many of them in positions of government, education, etc - who form bonds like this; certain masonic lodges are where they engage in their activities, and so, they are sure to keep out people who aren't complicit with the philosophy the lodge works from.

If you want to get down to it, it's not merely sexual perversion that leads these types of people into pedophilia. It's also on what they believe they derive from sexually molesting children in magical rites.

Children are a hotbed of a primal spiritual energy. You know that youthful exuberance and ease that children seem to live with? It's that which these demented people try to suckle from the child; it's this primal energy which they 'access' and imbibe through sex magick which makes this activity so attractive.

It's a means towards servicing their ego worship. They want power, and this is how they get it.

Originally posted by JoshNorton

Originally posted by Char-Lee

The most specific reference to the letter G having another meaning occurs in a French Exposure of 1744, Le Catéchisme des Francs Maçons, and in outlining how the Entered Apprentice became a Fellow Craft, describes the journey into the Middle Chamber of the Temple with the catechism – Q. When you entered [the middle chamber] what did you see? A. A great Light in which I perceived the Letter G. Q. What does the Letter G signify? A. God, that is to say DIEU, or one who is greater than you.

freemasonry.bcy.ca...

Well, that last bit is fairly telling... The word for "God" starts with a D in most languages... Deus, Dei, Déu, Dio, Diyos, Dieu, Dia, Dievs, Dievas, Dumnezeu, Duw...

It's only in English and the Germanic and nordic languages that it starts with a G.

They do use the bible. I think like all religions and cults and societies, the ancient meanings of things are not even known by present day worshipers. yet as the ancient writings say "if the root of the tree is rotten so is the fruit" no matter how appealing it looks.

Personally I feel a wise person joins nothing on this earth in present day.

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Originally posted by network dude

Originally posted by Char-Lee

What does this one mean in a masonic Graveyard?

www.flickr.com...

edit on 12-11-2012 by Char-Lee because: (no reason given)

It has a very complex meaning. Once you advance to the sublime degree of master mason, it is explained to you in the lecture. Or you could look it up. But the first is the best way to learn about it.

Kind of hard to look up the meaning of a carving. it looks as though the phallic is broken by the feminine and she then places a new young one in the elder ones place.

It is very easy to see in the sacred square that the Pyramid is a phallic symbol and the V or cup shape the feminine and together they nicely make the square or this.

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WOW what can I say ? A very powerful interview and has me deeply disturbed. I have written to my M.P. asking that the law be at the very least looked into by some experts, with a view to changing it. I would like to thank you for A: Being able to listen to the interview and B: Bringing to our attention, it is always too easy to pretend we know what is going on and choose to pretend we care whilst not actioning anything because it's a tad uncomfortable. Well I for one, although uncomfortable, will attempt to pursue my M.P. for answers.
Let's hope he isn't a mason.
Thanks and peace oh and S&F

I like how the small timers think they are Masons, your the leg work, the pretty helpful faces to give the group a good name. True masons are the super rich, the old families the powerful. If your wasting time on the internet your not a real mason.

Originally posted by subjectzero
I can't say any of that made sense. G? Q? What does Q have to do with G? How about being a little more specific?

I think the Q is just short for Question. The Question is, "What does the G stand for? The answer is, "God"
I have to admit that when I first saw the letters GQ together I thought, Gentlemen's Quarterly. Not that I have ever read it.