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For the head of Libya's national election commission, the method by which Americans vote is startling in that it depends so much on trust and the good faith of election officials and voters alike.
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"What's very unique about the way the Americans do it, it's not the process, it's the confidence that's placed in the process," she said. "This is what lacks in other countries. They say if this would happen in Arab countries it would not work the way it does in the United States."
Originally posted by ThirdEyeofHorus
Originally posted by Grimpachi
The Florida ballot for Seminole county was 2 cards front and back some people did not fill out the entirety of both forms. I do not see what is so hard to understand here.
It doesn't matter if people didn't fill out both cards, the card is still cast. Those cards are fed into machines which counts them. Notice there is a special number for blank cards?
Originally posted by Donkey_Dean
reply to post by beezzer
Hey Beez,
If I can show you irrefutable proof of massive fraud during the GOP primaries will you wager your signature? You want to see some clear proof?edit on 11-11-2012 by Donkey_Dean because: (no reason given)
Originally posted by cry93
I don't want to baffle you with anything other than the facts. This post is simply untrue.
According to Wiki that latest population count for this county is just over 192,000. The official election map has 66,631 votes for Obama and 56,295 for Romney. Just under 800 votes went to other candidates. Well within normal limits for the population count.
Some of these things are easily refuted with just a 2 minute search. Get thee to the nearest MAP and see for yourself. Some trumped up PDF released to enrage people who don't want to do the research is just reckless.edit on 11-11-2012 by cry93 because: (no reason given)
Originally posted by Wrabbit2000
I want to share this as a piece for context. It may be confusing to some folks, why people like me would become infuriated over seeing this story and after the election is over. We all agree it's over. Even Romney himself agrees it's over. So indeed....Yes...It IS over and this isn't about that. No one is even joking about re-votes or anything like it. THAT would be more insane than the fraud this and other areas of Florida linked in the story (and showing their own County-level print outs for support) point to.
The idea here is a need for reform...BADLY needed reform and preferably before 2014. After 2000, the Dems DEMANDED reform and got almost none of it. Now, it's our side....and since the Dems rightly noted the need first, one would think the joint desire for reform could find no better time to get teeth and get some things DONE. No one yet knows or can even guess who is running in 2016. So NOTHING done in reform could even be joked as to target one guy or side over another.
However....Why do results like that and 99% turn out blowout numbers cause confusion and even rage in some folks? This is why. THIS is the state they say these miracles of one sided voting happened in. This isn't New York or Maine where it's so blue the Smurfs would feel out of place. Hardly......in fact, not even close.
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Originally posted by rival
whether or not this story has any validity, the OP's main point remains valid.
There is an inherent grift built into the system of tallying votes. It is in the easy
manipulation of electronic voting.
I have said this many times here that to ensure a true democratic process in voting
the votes should be counted by people and verified by people.
There will always be those who try to manipulate vote counts--this is a given, and no
system can be perfect. But to allow the electronic voting system to continue gives
these people a HUGE advantage to use to manipulate the vote.
If you want to fix the system, so that your vote has the highest chance of counting and the least
chance of being manipulated enact these few step as policy
!. All votes cast on paper ballot
2. All votes counted by hand
3. All voters to show ID and name and ID to be included on each ballot cast (no anonymity)
4. All tallies shall be made public immediately and all ballots and tallies kept secure.
End electoral college
End voter registration
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This leaves out absentee votes, but enacting the above policy would remove the greatest
risks to election security.
Could this ever happen? Probably not. Why? The people that want to manipulate the system wouldn't
allow it
I am pretty sure counting 150 million casted ballots by hand exponentially increases the error factor and cheating factor.
The machine method of counting is incredibly more reliable and faster.
And no annonymity is a horrible idea. The state has NO BUSINESS knowing who you vote for.
Once you register that is plenty!
Originally posted by EarthCitizen07
Originally posted by cry93
I don't want to baffle you with anything other than the facts. This post is simply untrue.
According to Wiki that latest population count for this county is just over 192,000. The official election map has 66,631 votes for Obama and 56,295 for Romney. Just under 800 votes went to other candidates. Well within normal limits for the population count.
Some of these things are easily refuted with just a 2 minute search. Get thee to the nearest MAP and see for yourself. Some trumped up PDF released to enrage people who don't want to do the research is just reckless.edit on 11-11-2012 by cry93 because: (no reason given)
I am much more concerned about how pathetically low the "other candidates" vote count is rather than how often florida cheats in the elections, whether through incompetence or planned. The campaign system rellies on contributions rather than national funds for the most part. This cannot be changed easily and both big parties will continue to purposefully ignore the core issues.