The GOP and the Tea Party, Did they Help Obama Win or Let Romney loose?

The GOP and the Tea Party.
There is a lot to think about when it comes to these two topics.
Did the Tea Party help President Obama win his second term by not voting for Romney?
I think they did.
The GOP has effectively turned it's back on the TP.
Instead of grasping how much the TP helped the GOP in the 2010 elections and taking advantage of their numbers in the past election, they have cast them aside.

I think the biggest problem came when the GOP let the democrats define the TP.
They sat back and did not say a word as the dems demonized the TP by calling them "extremist", "Astro Turf", "tea baggers", "domestic terrorist" and the always popular "Racist".
The truth is that the TP is made up of a wide varity of Americans with a common theme of being Conservative/Libertarian.

If we take a look back we will see that the GOP was pushing the left of center candidates onto the ballot and ignoring those right of center. In doing so they alienated the TP.

One thing is becoming clear now that we have a little more information from Tuesday. The polling data clearly shows people did not come out and vote for Romney. Romney actually received fewer votes than John McCain. The wave of angry anti-Obama voters never materialized. That is simply because a lot of people know that Romney’s record in politics is not something to brag about if you value conservative values. And many people chose to stay home or vote for Goode or Johnson.

______beforeitsnews/tea-party/2012/11/why-so-many-likely-republicans-stayed-home-2464416.html

The GOP has, for years, been sliding further to the left. It would seem after the 2010 mid terms they would have gotten a clue but this, sadly, was not the case,
So along came the 2012 elections and the dems still have the Presidency and the senate.
After such a defeat it is only logical that the GOP would look at the Mid Terms of 2010 and this past election and ask "what happened, what is different?"
Well if they did, it would seem that they have come up with the wrong answer once again.
Their answer? To slide even further to the left and further from the TP

House Speaker John Boehner dismissed the Tea Party as irrelevant in an interview with ABC's Diane Sawyer yesterday, while at the same time sending out contradictory messages on taxes.

Two days after the presidential ticket of Mitt Romney and Paul Ryan were defeated in the election, Boehner stated incorrectly that there is no “Tea Party caucus to speak of in the House.” He then appeared to say Republicans now take the movement for granted, adding, “all of us who were elected in 2010 were supported by the Tea Party.”

Although the official Tea Party Caucus hasn’t been as active as other officially recognized congressional caucuses such as the Democratic-dominated Congressional Progressive Caucus, it has nonetheless existed since 2010.

www.breitbart.com...

Another problem I see is that many people see the clowns on TV or the internet that claim to be "leaders" of the TP movement and associate the TP with them.
In all actuality the true TP has no leaders. They are the silent majority that moves when the right candidate or cause comes along.
So where were they in the last election, you may ask. They were home, watching the election unfold.
The GOP chose to turn a blind eye to them and that is what they got in return.

I, like many, feel that the GOP is DOOMED.
It will continue to transform into something unrecognizable to most conservatives and will be, as it closely resembles now, just another branch of the now liberal progressive democrat party.
I am curious as to how many on ATS describe themselves as TP'ers or have common values with them but did not vote for Romney.
I believe the answers will be interesting to say the least.
Quad

reply to post by Quadrivium


No mention of the republican party's awful treatment of Ron and Rand Paul? I'm sorry but that is inexcusable - don't you think?

I, like many, feel that the GOP is DOOMED.

Blah blah. Take a look at this: Election
Now click on the blue state, see how much most of them are red? What's that tell you? It means the that the vast majority of the US is red. There are just a few large metropolitan areas in most of these blue states that outnumber the rest of the state. Some states are all blue, Vermont is one. But, most of the country is pretty in sinc with the Republicans. That is why the House of Representatives is so heavily Republican. To say they are doomed is the talk of the ignorant. Ignorance can be fixed so, there is hope for you if you do some homework.

V.

Originally posted by gmonundercover
reply to post by Quadrivium

 

No mention of the republican party's awful treatment of Ron and Rand Paul? I'm sorry but that is inexcusable - don't you think?

edit on 10-11-2012 by gmonundercover because: (no reason given)

A light touch, I did not want to make a "bashing" thread.

post by Quadrivium
If we take a look back we will see that the GOP was pushing the left of center candidates onto the ballot and ignoring those right of center.

Originally posted by Variable

I, like many, feel that the GOP is DOOMED.

Blah blah. Take a look at this: Election
Now click on the blue state, see how much most of them are red? What's that tell you? It means the that the vast majority of the US is red. There are just a few large metropolitan areas in most of these blue states that outnumber the rest of the state. Some states are all blue, Vermont is one. But, most of the country is pretty in sinc with the Republicans. That is why the House of Representatives is so heavily Republican. To say they are doomed is the talk of the ignorant. Ignorance can be fixed so, there is hope for you if you do some homework.

V.

Perhaps you did not mean to be rude, you may just be ignorant of what that RED actually means.
Or maybe you did not read the OP and just picked out "The GOP is DOOMED" which makes you look ignorant still.
Your confusion comes from this statement.

Originally posted by Variable
But, most of the country is pretty in sinc with the Republicans.

If they were in "sinc with the Republicans" Mitt would be in the White House.
Those people in those states are most definatly RED (conservative), unfortunately the Republicans in DC are not and they are out of touch with their base.
You actually helped me prove my point and for that I thank you but you should really take your own advice....

Ignorance can be fixed so, there is hope for you if you do some homework.

Quad

Originally posted by Variable

Blah blah. Take a look at this: Election
Now click on the blue state, see how much most of them are red? What's that tell you? It means the that the vast majority of the US is red. There are just a few large metropolitan areas in most of these blue states that outnumber the rest of the state.

Those 'large metropolitan areas" that you mention are where the populace lives.

Some states are all blue, Vermont is one. But, most of the country is pretty in sinc with the Republicans.

51% of the voters would disagree with you.

That is why the House of Representatives is so heavily Republican. To say they are doomed is the talk of the ignorant. Ignorance can be fixed so, there is hope for you if you do some homework.

V.

If the GOP does not adapt they will lose the house in 2014.

Originally posted by Variable But, most of the country is pretty in sinc with the Republicans.

If they were in "sinc with the Republicans" Mitt would be in the White House.

No, your wrong. Mitt Romney was never a great candidate. The majority of the House is still Red. The House is more an indication of the populations feelings. That is by design. Look at the maps. Click the link, do some due diligence. I don't think the Tea Party is big enough to shake the National election. They do well at House seats. The GOP is alive and well, they simply can seem to produce an exciting candidate for President - remember Dole, McCain and Palin? They are doing just fine otherwise though.

V

Originally posted by Quadrivium
The GOP and the Tea Party.

The Tea Party is the GOPs problem.

I've been told that it was a grass roots movement combining all and everyone. This was not my experience.

If it was all encompassing where were the Democrat Tea party candidates or Libertarian Tea party candidates?

It was and still is right wing christian fundamentalist. This is why Romney lost, and this is why the GOP will lose the house in 2014 if they do not kick the Tea party out.

Romney did not lose the Black, Latino, Women, Gay or Young vote by not being right wing enough.

reply to post by Variable


V, do you realize that McCain actually got more of the RED vote in 2008 that Romney did last Tuesday?
Most of the conservatives are upset over Romney getting the nomination.....Why?
Because Romney is left of center.
A LOT OF THE VOTERS STAYED HOME.
The Republicans in DC pushed Romney onto the ballot because they are left of center.

The GOP is alive and well

Yes they are, just not in Washington DC.
Quad

reply to post by BritofTexas

Those 'large metropolitan areas" that you mention are where the populace lives.

No it isn't. But the better question is "Who lives in these large urban areas that voted for Obama?" We're talking about large cities in just a few states. Perhaps your confused because your a Brit? How is the House of Representatives devised? I think you will find this is done my population. How is it currently apportioned by Party?

I think the argument is somewhat valid in that, Republicans need to understand that some of the cities have such huge percentages of people who rely on the Government or hope to get more from Government, that they probably will never win them. Even then, it's pretty close split. Were still talking about a difference of a few percentage points. Obama won by three percentage points in total. The Democrat electorate is in large measure minorities and women. Those are their biggest Demographics correct? (Maybe Unions too?) So if the Republicans can gain a portion of those votes the Democrats are in real trouble.

If the GOP does not adapt they will lose the house in 2014.

I don't think so. If that were the case it would have happened last week i think. The Republicans have some really stupid ideas that hurts them on the margins. But for the most part, I think most Americans lean Conservative.

America voted for gridlock. Both sides of the Electorate can hope that their Elected come together and fix the issues. I don't think (based on the historical record) that we can put much hope in that.

reply to post by BritofTexas

They do not need to adapt, that is their problem now. They are out of touch with their base.

For the most part the TP is a grass roots movement. I am sorry if you had a bad experience in your area.

I have seen Blacks, Latinos, Gay libertarians, and conservative Democrat members. Not many, but they are there. As for women? That is the base of the TP.

reply to post by Quadrivium

A LOT OF THE VOTERS STAYED HOME.

I'm no bible thumper but I know a few. Mormons are not really high on their list if you know what i mean. SO I can see them staying home by a few percentages. As for the Tea Party, the VP was their guy right? That was a nod to them. If they stayed home well... i hope they like what they got...

I don't think a Republican can win going far right. I mean this whole argument of not taxing the wealthy is stupid, just plain stupid. We had a Rich Guy sticking up for RIch people. Guess how that looks to the average guy trying to find a job? It looks damn bad. I FULLY understand the notion of not feeding the monster. I get that. But sorry, I think its a losing argument.

Romney would have been a good President, he is exactly the kind of guy we need. If you read much about his past you would understand that. He was just a business guy, a facts guy. Obama is a typical Lib, a Hope guy, a feelings guy. We need grown ups who know how the world really works.


V

reply to post by Quadrivium


Then they should've voted for Gary Johnson.

The Tea Party is all about the constitution and liberty yet the Libertarian candidate for president couldn't even manage 1% of the popular vote? The Constitution party barely eeked out 0.1% of the popular vote?

The Tea Party has always been astro-turf and never stood for anything except what the billionaire funded FreedomWorks wanted them to. There were a good number though that truly believed in what the Tea Party was about, they failed themselves by not voting.

Originally posted by Variable
reply to post by Quadrivium

 

A LOT OF THE VOTERS STAYED HOME.

I'm no bible thumper but I know a few. Mormons are not really high on their list if you know what i mean. SO I can see them staying home by a few percentages.

Well I am sort of a bible thumper I didn't stay home, I voted for Romney....well, Against Obama The fact that he is a Mormon had no affect on me or anyone I know and I live in the bible belt.

As for the Tea Party, the VP was their guy right? That was a nod to them. If they stayed home well... i hope they like what they got...

He was in the wrong spot. Reverse the ticket and Ding, Ding, Ding we have a winner.

I don't think a Republican can win going far right.

I agree, Just a little further right than Romney

Romney would have been a good President, he is exactly the kind of guy we need. If you read much about his past you would understand that. He was just a business guy, a facts guy. Obama is a typical Lib, a Hope guy, a feelings guy. We need grown ups who know how the world really works.


V

Again I agree, star for you and thanks for posting.

Originally posted by Quadrivium
The GOP and the Tea Party.
There is a lot to think about when it comes to these two topics.
Did the Tea Party help President Obama win his second term by not voting for Romney?
I think they did.
The GOP has effectively turned it's back on the TP.
Instead of grasping how much the TP helped the GOP in the 2010 elections and taking advantage of their numbers in the past election, they have cast them aside.

I think the biggest problem came when the GOP let the democrats define the TP.
They sat back and did not say a word as the dems demonized the TP by calling them "extremist", "Astro Turf", "tea baggers", "domestic terrorist" and the always popular "Racist".
The truth is that the TP is made up of a wide varity of Americans with a common theme of being Conservative/Libertarian.

If we take a look back we will see that the GOP was pushing the left of center candidates onto the ballot and ignoring those right of center. In doing so they alienated the TP.

One thing is becoming clear now that we have a little more information from Tuesday. The polling data clearly shows people did not come out and vote for Romney. Romney actually received fewer votes than John McCain. The wave of angry anti-Obama voters never materialized. That is simply because a lot of people know that Romney’s record in politics is not something to brag about if you value conservative values. And many people chose to stay home or vote for Goode or Johnson.

______beforeitsnews/tea-party/2012/11/why-so-many-likely-republicans-stayed-home-2464416.html

The GOP has, for years, been sliding further to the left. It would seem after the 2010 mid terms they would have gotten a clue but this, sadly, was not the case,
So along came the 2012 elections and the dems still have the Presidency and the senate.
After such a defeat it is only logical that the GOP would look at the Mid Terms of 2010 and this past election and ask "what happened, what is different?"
Well if they did, it would seem that they have come up with the wrong answer once again.
Their answer? To slide even further to the left and further from the TP

House Speaker John Boehner dismissed the Tea Party as irrelevant in an interview with ABC's Diane Sawyer yesterday, while at the same time sending out contradictory messages on taxes.

Two days after the presidential ticket of Mitt Romney and Paul Ryan were defeated in the election, Boehner stated incorrectly that there is no “Tea Party caucus to speak of in the House.” He then appeared to say Republicans now take the movement for granted, adding, “all of us who were elected in 2010 were supported by the Tea Party.”

Although the official Tea Party Caucus hasn’t been as active as other officially recognized congressional caucuses such as the Democratic-dominated Congressional Progressive Caucus, it has nonetheless existed since 2010.

www.breitbart.com...

Another problem I see is that many people see the clowns on TV or the internet that claim to be "leaders" of the TP movement and associate the TP with them.
In all actuality the true TP has no leaders. They are the silent majority that moves when the right candidate or cause comes along.
So where were they in the last election, you may ask. They were home, watching the election unfold.
The GOP chose to turn a blind eye to them and that is what they got in return.

I, like many, feel that the GOP is DOOMED.
It will continue to transform into something unrecognizable to most conservatives and will be, as it closely resembles now, just another branch of the now liberal progressive democrat party.
I am curious as to how many on ATS describe themselves as TP'ers or have common values with them but did not vote for Romney.
I believe the answers will be interesting to say the least.
Quad





The Tea Party's Main Goal from Now on should be to DESTROY The Influence of the Republican Party's Neo Con Base Supporters and their Never Ending Bully Pulpit . Only Then can the Republican Party Move towards the Center of American Politics today and Truely Become a Viable Political Choice for Disgruntled American Voters who just Happen to REMEMBER They Dispise Communist Socialist Fifth Columnists running Rabid in Washington Right Now......

Its Bushs' fault.



No really-

I didnt vote for Romney for one main reason- That raping of Ron Paul and the blatant media blackout on his campaign and the continuous attacks on his character and his supporters.

(which we all know are the most level headed thinkers out of the lot)

They turned Ron Paul into a 'nobody' when it came to give him his due.
He should have been the GOP nominee-not Romney.

Paul wouldnt have lost to Obama- Republicans could have actually got behind someone with good moral fiber and an intelligence to get this country back on track after the Bush/Obama trainwreck.

Romney nor Obama could cast a shadow on that man or his character. He wasnt like them- which is why they shunned him out. He wasnt a sell out- like the other guys.

Romney never connected with me on any level besides getting people to work- and even that was thin.

I guess thats what happens when you cheat - You lose elections.

Republicans around the world lost because of corrupt tactics imposed by their own party.

-Its their game anyhow. If Romney had it in the bag- then there was no need for stonewalling other candidates who might do better.

I will agree with the fact that many RP supporters(not all tea party people-Im not) did not get behind Romney because of what happened.....It left a really bad taste in the mouths of a lot of voters.

How Romney expected to win after that beats the hell out of me.

im sad Obama is still in office- probably more than anyone- But that doesnt mean Im going to sell out my beliefs for someone I dont like just because they are the remainder.

One positive thing about all of this---- Obama will have to take responsibility for his actions, and can no longer pass the buck of his failed policies to Bush.

He needs to be more responsible this next 4 years or the democrats will be doomed next election. 4 years goes by quick.

I dont see a third Party comming out strong for at least another 4-6 years. Sheep are willing to back their parties to the extent of selling their souls in order to maintain face.
It might be a while before we can come out strong with a third party option due to all the party posers on both sides.

By then it might be too late- and we will all be too busy fighting one another, rather than curing the disease known today as 'government'.

Seems more like 6th grade recess to me.

reply to post by Common Good


Excellent post CG. I could not agree more!!

Originally posted by Quadrivium
reply to post by Common Good

 

Excellent post CG. I could not agree more!!

Thank you

Word!

I feel like I am in an episode of the twighlight zone to be real.
Insanity is running rampant.

At least not everyone has lost their minds yet and can still shovel through the thick and steamy BS.

Originally posted by Common Good

Originally posted by Quadrivium
reply to post by Common Good

 

Excellent post CG. I could not agree more!!

Thank you

Word!

I feel like I am in an episode of the twighlight zone to be real.
Insanity is running rampant.

At least not everyone has lost their minds yet and can still shovel through the thick and steamy BS.

edit on 10-11-2012 by Common Good because: fix

You're on ATS/Beezers world. To be politically correct you should not use BS, here we use RS.
Where do you think he gets the raisens for his special cookies?
See, we haven't all lost our minds
Quad

reply to post by Quadrivium


haha.

Im making fun of everyone tonight, people are getting on my nerves with their rabbit shat.

You know- a lot of people on ATS whom I used to agree with a lot seem to easily find a hard placed debt of burden on my shoulders because I wont accept the GOP memo and the puppet they want me to vote for; eventhough that establishment cost me many hours of pondering 'WTF' scenerios.

Im a centrist-socially and fiscally conservative most of my life- 'I do me- you do you' type of attitude.

But they make it hard for me to support them when they offer nothing and take everything- Just like the liberals do.
It has turned into one big soap opera, and the actors dont know their lines.

Now Americans are fighting amongst one another over stupid RS and nobody will let up- cept for those who are giving up on party politics all together and focusing on problems instead of agendas.

I dont hate republicans- matter of fact I usually like them more than democrats- but lately they seem to want to push all my buttons when I offer an alternative theory.
Lots of them dont even respond to my posts anymore haha.

Everything I accused the Obama supporters of doing is finding its way to republican tables as well lately.

Lying- cheating- no good scum have taken over the GOP. All they did was waste peoples time- spend peoples money- and tear the party up more than it already was. They had a winning ticket- but Paul wasnt stupid enough
for the current warmongers in power at the moment. They went with cardboard cutout man.

If Ron Paul was in that race- Obama would be the dirt under his shoes. He is the only one who knew how to handle the disaster we are faced with.

For what? All that money- and you still cant beat Obama? Maybe the GOP wanted to lose the election.
if so- mission accomplished.
But why demonize RP supporters? Where is the tactical advantage in that?

Romney just didnt give it his all- a sign of how it would be under his watch as president.

I think Romney got paid off- (with no evidence of my claim)... just a gut feeling,