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Originally posted by Amuk
I am for it depending on the details.
I am nearing retirement and do not want my benefits cut by 25-50% like the Democrats say Bushs plan will do. If I am wrong I am sure a republican will tell me
I am at the stage where I can not invest enough to fill in the cut back.
I would like to see the plan in simple words spelled out
Originally posted by BlackJackal
Those claims are false see here
www.factcheck.org...
Originally posted by BlackJackal
Amuk,
Let me show you something that will make you sick.
Originally posted by BlackJackal
Bush is for privatization of Social Security and Kerry is against it. I have compiled some numbers to argue why privatization is a good thing.
Currently 7.65% of your gross income goes to Medicare and Social Security. Out of that 6.20% goes to Social Security and 1.45% goes to Medicare. If Americans are allowed control of 2% leaving 5.65% for the government the results are astonishing.
For example someone earning minimum wage at today�s rate of $5.15 an hour will bring home $10,712 a year. This person will gross $892.66 a month contributing $68.29 a month to Social Security or $819.48 a year. If this person works from age 16 to age 65 never receiving a raise he would put $40154.52 into Social Security. The maximum monthly income this person can expect from Social security is $564.00 a month as calculated from the Social Security website.
Now if this person is allowed to control just the 2% I mentioned earlier and invested in good growth stock mutual funds this is what happens. This 2% translates into $214.24 a year for our example or just $17.85 a month. Lets look at a few things.
Many growth stock mutual funds have annual return rates at 20% and above but we will not go to that extreme.
- On a 8% annual return the savings of $10495.80 invested over 49 years would be worth $130525.55.
- On a 10% annual return the savings of $10495.80 invested over 49 years would be worth $279725.20
- On a 12% annual return the savings of $10495.80 invested over 49 years would be worth $618521.03
In other words if our example lives to be 80 he can expect to get $725.14 a month if he received an 8% annual return, $1554.03 a month for 10%, and $3436.23 a month if he received 12% annual return. So this small portion of the Social Security that was privatized made our subject better off than Social Security could.
And the remaining 5.65% can fund all the current dependents of the Social Security System.
The amazing thing is that our example received minimum wage his entire working life and never received a raise. The numbers would definetely be higher.
[edit on 20-10-2004 by BlackJackal]
Originally posted by sminkeypinkey
Talk about appealing to people's greed.
Just one thing.....who is getting 8, 10 or 12% these days?
Stock market 'growth' has been remarkably underwhelming for several years now, has it not?
Originally posted by BlackJackal
Amuk,
Let me show you something that will make you sick. Lets take for example our minimum wage man and say that he was able to invest all of his Social Security money privately and received a 12% return
The actual amount put in would be $40,154.52 but when he retired he would have a nest egg of $2,366,319.40
So our minimum wage worker became a multimilliounare!