The mayan calendar end date is not 2012, its 2087, 100% proof here.

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But does it seem like they have increased enough to make a big difference... no, not yet. Give them another 75 years, and I can totally see change happening.

Let me start by saying up front. My math is as weak as my coffee....and you could fall asleep on my coffee in a riot.

Having said that, how much stronger would we be waiting for? It's part rhetorical, but part not too. I've hesitated to say many things in recent weeks...but to name just a couple things I'd point to and retain my public imagine of sanity......

I've heard a few people talk in the last month that I know off line, real world type and have NO idea what I do or who I am online. I don't wear my blog activities like a badge in the RW. Few who know me even know I'd know what UFO stands for. honestly. Yet, again, a few of these people have talked about seeing things and feeling things in the last 4-6 weeks I'd have never believed I''d hear from their lips. They've described Shadow People. I don't dare tell them what they're clearly describing...they'd flip out later....after they got done running from me as a sudden crazy person even suggesting it.

Next... There have been 4 incients in the last 10 days where, walking out into the night air in the wee hours to take a break from the monitors I've felt...something. I don't know what, or if it's only one. It's *STRONG* though. Very strong. Almost an energy to the air in those moments and one, felt close enough to have the mere beginnings of what I know to be a panic attack from experiences as a teenager.

Last....If recent events are taken away entirely, and this I have spoken of.....I'm anong many many people both at ATS and off, that has described feeling an impending sense of ...doom? It's not the right word, but I don't know precisely what is. It's the feeling when you've done something wrong, you know you've been caught but the people who caught you haven't bothered to make that fact openly known yet, but it's coming. That make any sense at all? Anyway.... That feeling has been building in me for over 2 years and steadily building over time. Others only recently began to feel it..but also, building steadily.

So...with the above 3 examples, I'm just legitimately asking, if this isn't what it feels like for ..whatever the heck it is...to be close to 'being', just what IS it supposed to look and feel like? Thats worrisome if this turns out to be a routine change in environment. Some routine.

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You are once again not going by the math of the calendar.

They used a sexagesimal system. kind of like we do when we track time.

60 seconds in a minute
60 minutes in an hour

the mayans simply used 360 days for a year..... which by the time you've added all 13 baktuns, you get 5200 years....

and when you really want to look at the numbers, 5200, there are 52 weeks in a year.... 5200 indeed seems like the right answers. So when you add 5200, from the 3113 start date.... (not 3114) you get the year 2087AD..... Stop trying to add 365.25 into it, because that is not apart of their calculations.

Originally posted by xxshadowfaxx
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You are once again not going by the math of the calendar.

They used a sexagesimal system. kind of like we do when we track time.

60 seconds in a minute
60 minutes in an hour

the mayans simply used 360 days for a year..... which by the time you've added all 13 baktuns, you get 5200 years....

and when you really want to look at the numbers, 5200, there are 52 weeks in a year.... 5200 indeed seems like the right answers. So when you add 5200, from the 3113 start date.... (not 3114) you get the year 2087AD..... Stop trying to add 365.25 into it, because that is not apart of their calculations.

I'm afraid that you are not reading my post, or the article.

Go back and look specifically where they used a modified Base 20 for long count. You are also ignoring the fact that their 360 day count equaled 1 solar year (not calendar year).

Originally posted by xxshadowfaxx
For those of you that don't understand how the Mayan Calendar works, I will break it down for you, and show you how long each cycle is and how the year 2012 is wrong. I am getting my information from the book, The end of days by zecharia sitchin, and it makes complete sense and is mathematically sound. I have backtracked myself, and done the math, over and over again, researching all sorts of different cycles, and I have found that the real end day of the Mayans is not til the year 2087, just like sitchin found. I know many of you are against sitchins work, but this really has nothing to do with him, as the math speaks for itself. Here are the cycles to the Mayan Calandar.

1 kin = 1 day
1 uinal = 1 kin x 20 = 20 days
1 tun = 1 kin x 360 = 360 days
1 ka-tun = 1 tun x 20 = 7200 days
1 bak-tun = 1 ka-tun x 20 = 144,000 days
1 pictun = 1 bak-tun x 20 = 2,880,000 days

So given that information, we know that the end of the 12th bak-tun and the start of the 13th, signifies the end of the cycle, the end date. So you when take 144,000 and multiply it by 13, you get, 1,872,000 days.

This is where it gets tricky. As you can see, the mayans used a sexagesimal numerical system. They called one year to be 360 days. Not 365.25 as in our current calendar. So when you take the 1,872,000 days, and you divide it by 360, you get, 5200 years. When you take the same number and you divide it by 365.25, you get 5125 years, which doesn't make any sense because that is no longer a part of the sexagesimal system.

What's relevant is whether the length of their day (kin) is the same as ours, not whether a tun is equal to 360 or 365 days. The base unit listed above is the kin, and other units listed are simply multiples thereof.

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Listen... op.. as much as you WANT your math to be correct it isn't .. you do have to CONVERT it to our calendar because it's what we go by.. we do not go by a 360 day year... hello... again we DO go by a 365.25 day year and to convert their dates over to our system you MUST USE OUR SYSTEM TO IDENTIFY WHAT DAY THEY WERE TALKING ABOUT... as much as you wanna believe your right.. your logic FAILS.

as far as anything happening in 2012 or 2087... i don't know and I really don't need to go by the mayans to figure out something is "OFF" as speculated by another poster who has felt anxious .. we can all tell something is amiss around the earth...

Originally posted by gnosticagnostic
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Listen... op.. as much as you WANT your math to be correct it isn't .. you do have to CONVERT it to our calendar because it's what we go by.. we do not go by a 360 day year... hello... again we DO go by a 365.25 day year and to convert their dates over to our system you MUST USE OUR SYSTEM TO IDENTIFY WHAT DAY THEY WERE TALKING ABOUT... as much as you wanna believe your right.. your logic FAILS.

as far as anything happening in 2012 or 2087... i don't know and I really don't need to go by the mayans to figure out something is "OFF" as speculated by another poster who has felt anxious .. we can all tell something is amiss around the earth...

Thank you. That's exactly what I was trying to point out.

You can't divide the number of days by 360, and then turn around and say that it's our calendar year 2087, because, our calendar year is based on a 365.25 system. You have to divide it by that number. If you don't you end up with a "Mayan" date.

Unless of course this is the 2012'ers trying to move the goal posts.......but I digress.

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You have to account for 365.25 if you are giving a year of 2087 AD because that is they system we use. You are converting their calendar to our calendar with no conversion factor. It would be like converting Celsius to Farenheit without the math.

I'm not the only saying this. There are many others, including books written about it.

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Utterly predictable. This whole thing is a complete farce from beginning to end. It's not going to happen. When it doesn't happen, people will have to think up a new date to wait for.

So why not start early and make up one now? Then wheh it doesn't happen you'll be in fine shape. Of course, it's far enough in advance that no one alive today will be there, so it's a completely safe prediction that can't be proven wrong until after we're dead.

You guys actually take this stuff seriously?

Oh, yeah. I forgot. The USS Enterprise is a false flag and chemtrails are real. Good Lord. Deny ignorance my butt.

So now they get to sell merchandise until 2087....clever move.

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Listen again I don't really care what year the mayans last cycle ends... well i'm sure all the mayanologist we're off on their math skills Why oh because a whole buncha others folks can't put 2 and 2 together so it makes it right.. again.. lets use those math skills shall we..
you said..
1 kin = 1 day
1 uinal = 1 kin x 20 = 20 days
1 tun = 1 kin x 360 = 360 days
1 ka-tun = 1 tun x 20 = 7200 days
1 bak-tun = 1 ka-tun x 20 = 144,000 days
1 pictun = 1 bak-tun x 20 = 2,880,000 days...


so you need to GO BY DAYS not years using your logic.. which you did not do.. you USED YEARS which HAS TO BE CONVERTED over to the calendar because.. dum de dee dum we ADD 5 + days to every one of the tun....

Originally posted by xxshadowfaxx

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I'm not the only saying this. There are many others, including books written about it.

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edit on 4-11-2012 by xxshadowfaxx because: (no reason given)

Just looked at your link, and what did I see?

Several links to scholars, universities, scientific papers? No.

It's a bunch of links on Google to Doom Porn

Wow. Now I am distressed. That is a LOT of people that can not do simple math.

Once again: you can not divide the number by 360, because that is a Mayan year. Not our year. If you divide it by 360, you will NOT get a date on our calendar.

And I think that link showed me what I was starting to suspect: nothing's really happening (at least not the grand, huge destruction that doom sayers were drooling over), so the date has to be moved.

Sorry but the mayans used astrology and astrology states the end of a 26,920 year cycle is on december 21 2012. Nice try though.

Each astrology age is 2,160 years
There are 12 zodiac signs
it takes 26,920 years for the great cycle to complete

Wrong as well. talk to the actual Mayans. They say there isn't an end date.

Now for some human logic. For a race of people who sacrificial human on a grand scale to even have the remotest idea the earth would end (let alone a date) shows the mentality of the modern human being. In this case they were more intelligent than those who believe in end time dates of cultures based on carvings in rocks.

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Not sure where I heard or read this, but from a video I saw they were speaking of the mayan temple which was built according to the seasons with 4 sides. Each side had exactly 91 steps to signify a season. 4 seasons equalling 364 days, NOT 365 like the so called smart guy on the video adding the cap or the roof of the temple pyramid . The 364 day a year calender also correlates with the Enochian calendar of 364.

So the math of the end of the world according to the Mayan calendar is still not known. And also with this leap year junk in the current gregorian calendar changing days every 4 years makes even more confusion.

So really in the end with all these numbers flying around, nobody really knows. So my advice is, get your act together, cause we are all gonna die sometime, and hopefully your not going to eternal damnation.

Thats my 2 bits

Originally posted by siriusstarlight
Sorry but the mayans used astrology and astrology states the end of a 26,920 year cycle is on december 21 2012. Nice try though.

Each astrology age is 2,160 years
There are 12 zodiac signs
it takes 26,920 years for the great cycle to complete

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If your going to make a point, at least get the maths right . 2,160 x 12 = 25,920..

Anyway, the end of this calendar does not state the end of that cycle. It only ends a 5,125 - 5,200 year cycle. If its the 5th cycle, so be it but wh really knows?

But, but, what if this is right? What if the whole calendar that we use now, is missing time? We use it to compare against the Mayan calendar to get the end date...but, how accurate is our calendar?

I want to get this Mayan thing over this December. I don't want to put up with hearing about it for another seventy five years. This 2012 thing is getting like the presidential election that dominates our society. A fresh 2013 doomsday will be refreshing. I'm getting tired of December 21. I plan on having a small party that night, everyone needs to have a doomsday party at least once every ten years.

We should put it to a vote......How many people want December 21, 2012 as a paid holiday????/

Why bother trying to convert the years when you can successfully determine the date based on the days in the cycle? Pretty simple really!

Originally posted by superman2012
But, but, what if this is right? What if the whole calendar that we use now, is missing time? We use it to compare against the Mayan calendar to get the end date...but, how accurate is our calendar?

Well what was the ancient Egyptian calendar? Since we know the start date of that civilisation also, we should be able to use there calendar to determine the right dates.