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Operation Desert Fraud: More Fake al Qaeda

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posted on Oct, 19 2004 @ 08:53 AM
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The war on Terror is becoming murkier and murkier - just like the recently convicted commando cum prisoner's story. That would be the story of one Jonathan Keith Idema - the ex-special forces soldier who went to Afghanistan privately w/his two friends to hunt "al Qaeda." He was just sentenced to ten years in an Afghan prison for kidnapping and torture. So what I wanna know is just who exactly are the terrorists anyway? And who the hell was he really working for? Himself? Rumsfeld? That's Idema's claim. Yeah, that he was secretly in Rumsfeld's employ. The guy got what he deserves. I hope they treat him as well as he treated them. One thing is for sure, the way Rumsfeld has run Defense, I'd bet money Idema's telling the truth about who his boss is. And Rumsfeld should be held accountable for employing him, then, hanging him out to dry.



Operation Desert Fraud
How Keith Idema marketed his imaginary Afghan war.

By Stacy Sullivan

In January 2002, As U.S. Forces in Afghanistan were hunting down Al Qaeda suspects, the CBS news show 60 Minutes II got its hands on some sensational footage: seven hours’ worth of videotape showing Al Qaeda terrorists training in an Afghan camp. The source of the tapes, a former U.S. Special Forces soldier named Jonathan Keith Idema—known familiarly as Keith—was more than a little dubious. Idema claimed to be working as an adviser to the Northern Alliance, but he was also an ex-con who had served three years in federal prison for wire fraud and had a criminal record in three states. He was, in addition, a serial litigator who had once sued CBS. But the tape’s content—featuring masked men in a bullet-scarred compound training to assassinate and kidnap world leaders—proved a TV producer’s dream.


It may have also proved too good to be true. Mary Mapes, who famously vouched for the documents purporting to show that George W. Bush was given preferential treatment by the Texas Air National Guard, was the producer of the segment. CBS News arranged for Dan Rather to fly to Kabul for an interview with Idema. 60 Minutes II touted its footage with the promise that it was “the most intimate look yet at how the world’s deadliest terrorist organization trains its recruits and what it wants them to do to the West.”
newyorkmetro.com...



posted on Oct, 19 2004 @ 09:06 AM
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I suggest doing a little research on this man..

Perhaps start here:

www.newsmax.com...


There are two kinds of journalists writing about Jonathon (Jack) Keith Idema - those who praise him, and those who portray him as an insane, sadistic, renegade ex-Green Beret who led his own private army inside Afghanistan rounding up innocent Afghans and beating them and hanging them upside down in his own private jail in Kabul.

And what's the difference between those two kinds of journalists? The ones who praise him have been on the Keith Idema story for 10 years. The others have been on the Keith Idema story for about ten minutes! I belong to the first group.



posted on Oct, 19 2004 @ 09:09 AM
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You might wanna get away from newsmax. It's hardly a credible source. No offense.



posted on Oct, 19 2004 @ 09:11 AM
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I read somewhere that when the Bush administration could not find a link to Al-qaida is easier to create one. After all they are the evil in the world, Whoops I forgot now is Zarqawi, he is going to "destroy America" I guess bin-laden got tired.

I saw the footage, and I believe it, I think after 9/11 everybody believed anything.

You bring a very good issue of "fabricated intelligence" now have you notice who is the new number one man in Iraq? I have been looking into Zarqawi life history and he seems a man of many faces and he can be in many places simultaneously. "How convenient" and he is even handicap.



posted on Oct, 19 2004 @ 09:32 AM
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Bin-laden and Zarqawi have been associated with each other for years, before the first Bush Administration. What get's me is that people who hate the President and this administration condone what the terrorist are doing tacitly. I no doubt that you believe in America and love your country. Your love for the country comes out in your attempts to persuade voters to vote for Kerry. However, to condeme the actions of the military in Iraq and try to point out that it's the wrong war and the wrong time does nothing but embolden the enemy. Similarly the same way Kerry and his anti-war Vietnam group did to the North Vietnamese. While I do support the President, I do realize that he has made mistakes, going into Iraq was not one of them. It was not a mistake to take on Nazi Germany, and while you may think that we are fighting against the arab world as a whole, we are not. we are fighting Terrorist who grew out of the same Nazi party that our grandfathers fought. I find it amazing that France would one day choose to side with Nazi's over America.



posted on Oct, 19 2004 @ 09:40 AM
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Originally posted by marg6043


I read somewhere that when the Bush administration could not find a link to Al-qaida is easier to create one.


- Of course, how else can you direct and control what they do as and when you need them?

Need some film of a 'terrorist training' camp? Easiest thing in the world to conjure......and with the way much of our meda operates who is going to know different?


After all they are the evil in the world, Whoops I forgot now is Zarqawi, he is going to "destroy America" I guess bin-laden got tired.


- Maybe but even so the US military/industrial crowd never tire of sucking up your tax-dollars.

This absurd fear of gangs of Islamic loonies 'destroying America' has your current gov outspending on your miltary the next 35 highest military spending countries in the world combined (and to hell with your national and the global debt implications).

Not that this is even mentioned.....in fact quite the opposite.....'did you not vote to bloat-out the US military to even further absurd amounts or are you some kind of traitor' seems to be the current line; which, incredibly, gets taken seriously and treated reasonably.


I saw the footage, and I believe it, I think after 9/11 everybody believed anything.


- Yeah good visuals beat a ton of words for immeadiate impact any day of the week. Ask David Copperfield.


You bring a very good issue of "fabricated intelligence" now have you notice who is the new number one man in Iraq? I have been looking into Zarqawi life history and he seems a man of many faces and he can be in many places simultaneously. "How convenient" and he is even handicap.


- It seems the one-legged 'pirate' image is being down-played here in the UK. Recently we've been told he probably isn't quite the (caricature) figure he once was and probably isn't handicapped.

I wonder who trained and started his 'career' off?



posted on Oct, 19 2004 @ 02:12 PM
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I thought this was the monkey bars footage but it may not be.


JSonline (2002)
In tone and narration, the tapes underscore al-Qaida's determination to destroy its enemies. At one point, the narrator coaxes his toddler-age children to pick up his guns and fire them. "Shoot - come on shoot," he pleads, as his young daughter picks up a gun. "Come on."

The tapes blend indoctrination with nuts-and-bolts instruction in how to kill. In a portion of the tape that shows men firing at human-size targets, the instructor's voice, off-camera, says: "We are preparing ourselves for the way of God. We will get rid of those who are non-believers. There is no brightness for them in this world and the other world."



posted on Oct, 19 2004 @ 03:20 PM
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Like nobody against the war has ever faked it, or the real terrorists.

I dont beleive this "Bin Ladens Army is going to enslave us" crap either folks but get a bit of perspective out there beyond your manifestos. Okay?



posted on Oct, 20 2004 @ 05:18 PM
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The worst part of all this is that now (b/c of our occupation of Iraq) we are throwing gasoline into the fire. The anger and resentment our actions have caused there is creating a whole new breed of enemy. Call 'em whatever you want. That was the plan all along, tho.



posted on Oct, 20 2004 @ 05:48 PM
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What do you expect ECK the goverment needs terrorist they need them for their own personal and political use.



posted on Oct, 21 2004 @ 09:30 AM
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Yes, and they have very, very effectively. Anyone ever heard of the Stanley Hilton 9-11 lawsuit? Checkit out - its hot stuff.



StanleyHiltonLawsuit



Stanley G. Hilton has filed a class action lawsuit in Federal court in Northern California against against high officials in the current Bush administration (including the federal government, Bush, Cheney, Rice, Mueller, Tenet, Rumsfeld, Ashcroft), for complicity in aiding and abetting and facilitating the Sep. 11, 2001 attacks.

His suit contends, and we strongly concur, that the defendants did so in order to launch unconstitutional aggressive war against the sovereign states of Afghanistan and Iraq, declare political opponents "enemy combatants," suspend the Constitution indefinitely, etc., all for sordid political ends which subvert the very system of laws and Constitution the defendants have sworn to uphold in their offices.
www.911review.org...


For anyone wanting to peg Hilton as a lefty - think again. He used to work for Sen. Robert "Viagra" Dole.



posted on Oct, 21 2004 @ 10:17 AM
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Originally posted by EastCoastKid
Yes, and they have very, very effectively. Anyone ever heard of the Stanley Hilton 9-11 lawsuit? Checkit out - its hot stuff.



StanleyHiltonLawsuit



Stanley G. Hilton has filed a class action lawsuit in Federal court in Northern California against against high officials in the current Bush administration (including the federal government, Bush, Cheney, Rice, Mueller, Tenet, Rumsfeld, Ashcroft), for complicity in aiding and abetting and facilitating the Sep. 11, 2001 attacks.

His suit contends, and we strongly concur, that the defendants did so in order to launch unconstitutional aggressive war against the sovereign states of Afghanistan and Iraq, declare political opponents "enemy combatants," suspend the Constitution indefinitely, etc., all for sordid political ends which subvert the very system of laws and Constitution the defendants have sworn to uphold in their offices.
www.911review.org...


For anyone wanting to peg Hilton as a lefty - think again. He used to work for Sen. Robert "Viagra" Dole.


You know. I'm willing to bet that those law suit papers were shredded by the Administration. Heck, they won't even bother to bring it up unless something dramatic against them happens.



posted on Oct, 21 2004 @ 10:24 AM
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The ones they stole from him? No worries.
He's got plenty of copies.



posted on Oct, 21 2004 @ 10:25 AM
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Originally posted by EastCoastKid
The ones they stole from him? No worries.
He's got plenty of copies.


Oh, I know they have copies. I'm just saying everytime they steal copies, they then shred them. But you're right. At least they got plenty of copies.



posted on Oct, 21 2004 @ 10:30 AM
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They only question I have over all these in fairness to the citizens of afhanistan and Iraq, is who is going to take responsibility for the death toll of the inocent, they are humans, they may not be americans but they are Iraqi and Afghanistani citizens after all.

Why, most of the people in the US disregard the death toll in that country as "casualties of war" when the truth is that the bush administration was the one that killed all that people with his non justify war.

Where is the justice in the world where is the justice for these people.



posted on Oct, 21 2004 @ 10:33 AM
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Originally posted by marg6043
They only question I have over all these in fairness to the citizens of afhanistan and Iraq, is who is going to take responsibility for the death toll of the inocent?


Well, of course no one is going to take the blame but the U.S. government will blame the terrorist.



posted on Oct, 21 2004 @ 10:47 AM
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They are not people to these Mayberry Machiavellis. They are other than human to them. Gotta keep it non-personal, Marg. Collateral damage. You know the psychology.

It's a crime against humanity and I wouldn't be the least bit surprised if no one was ever held to account for the myriad atrocities. The kicker is this: It is we Americans who shall bear the responsibility - in the end - for what we have allowed our government to do - in our name. We, as a nation, will pay a heavy price for this.

That's why Bush must be removed from office. It's a start - to begin righting the wrongs.



posted on Oct, 21 2004 @ 10:48 AM
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Mrmulder, that is why terrorism will never die our government has to keep it a life, well fed and nourished so it can use it whenever they occasion merits for political purposes.



posted on Oct, 21 2004 @ 11:08 AM
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Originally posted by marg6043
Mrmulder, that is why terrorism will never die. our government has to keep it alive, well fed and nourished so it can use it whenever they occasion merits for political purposes.


I know but it doesn't have to be that way. We can be a peace loving nation without the need to creat terrorist. We don't have to be the strongest nation either. As long as we're free and at peace.



posted on Oct, 21 2004 @ 11:19 AM
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By and large, WE are a peace-loving nation. The problem is, the military-industrial complex hates it. No war. No budget.



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