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Open letter to Republicans: Vote Badnarik or don't vote at all

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posted on Oct, 18 2004 @ 06:07 PM
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In less than one hundred days after his inauguration President Bush managed to change his party's moniker from the Party of Smaller Government to the Party of Limited Government. Republicans slid further into the cesspool of compromise in the early sessions of Congress under the George "W" Bush administration. Immediately ignoring their years of rhetoric about less spending and smaller government after achieving the White House, the GOP has become the biggest spender of all time.

The President ruined the Republicans claim that they are the party of smaller government when he sent a Republican Congress his first budget that increased spending by four percent in his first year. He tried to soften the blow by including a $1.6 trillion dollar tax cut over the next ten years. What does the Republican Congress do? Exactly what the Libertarians predicted they would. They further compromise their stated party principles by reducing the President's tax cut by more than $400 billion dollars and growing the government by another three percent to bring the total growth to seven percent in increased government spending. And they have the nerve to even call themselves the Party of Limited Government?! They have jumped from the Ship of Compromise into the Sea of Socialism.

From the first days of George W. Bush's term as President of the Untied States of America, a Republican held administration has managed to rack up the largest federal deficit in the history of mankind, not once but twice.

"The U.S. budget gap expanded to $412.55 billion in fiscal 2004, marking the Bush administration's second-straight record deficit, the Treasury Department said on Thursday. Though the final 2004 figure was the largest budget deficit in U.S. history, it was smaller than the White House's most recent forecast of a $445 billion shortfall given in July and well below the $521 billion it foresaw early this year." - MSNBC, "U.S. budget deficit expands to $412.5 billion" October 14, 2004

Even more disturbing economically than this, the second time the Bush administration has broken the record for deficit, is another quote at the end of the very same article:

"Treasury also invoked stop-gap accounting measures on Thursday to avoid piercing the congressionally mandated $7.384 trillion debt ceiling, which needs to be raised for the third time in three years."

Republicans continue to put up with this blatant violation of their own platform and stated principles, and then expect Libertarians to believe that they really are supporting less government and more individual freedom? How can they reasonably expect us to take them seriously! Like my Mother told us when we were children, "Actions speak louder than words." Federal spending and governmental growth is out of control under George W. Bush. Statistics reportedly show that federal government has grown by 20% under President Bush. That is more federal expansion than his father and his predecessor put together. Republican actions are speaking volumes while their rhetoric begins to fall more and more upon deaf ears.

Article: www.libertyforall.net...



posted on Oct, 18 2004 @ 06:32 PM
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I voted today, of course Where possible I voted Libertarian, which included Badnarik.

Most will not believe who I voted for where there was no Libertarian Candidate.

Democrat....Can you believe that?

The Republicans in our area are all Pro Patriot act, Anti-Gay Marriage, PRO tax, Pro school prayer, Christan only of course, etc.

I didnt vote as much FOR the Democrats as Against the Republicans who are becoming IMO dangerous



posted on Oct, 18 2004 @ 06:45 PM
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Libertarian locally. Gotta get some faces to the party.

Nationally? Republican or Democrat, otherwise your vote is WASTED.
Sad but true..Liberatarians don't stand a chance

Libertarians have a couple of problems..In my area they are associated with "super right wing gun nuts", and tokers.

Libertarians have to get into get into office, on local levels, so people can see what they are about. Plus your vote is counted DIRECTLY, not through an electoral college, so the posibility is greater, of getting one in office.

I'm voting republican in the Presidential race..



posted on Oct, 18 2004 @ 07:00 PM
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Originally posted by spacedoubt
Libertarian locally. Gotta get some faces to the party.

Nationally? Republican or Democrat, otherwise your vote is WASTED.
Sad but true..Liberatarians don't stand a chance

Libertarians have a couple of problems..In my area they are associated with "super right wing gun nuts", and tokers.

Libertarians have to get into get into office, on local levels, so people can see what they are about. Plus your vote is counted DIRECTLY, not through an electoral college, so the posibility is greater, of getting one in office.

I'm voting republican in the Presidential race..


WRONG! Why is it wasted? Look, if the Libertarian party gets at least 5% of the presidential vote, they get the desperately needed federal funding it needs to get their name out. Think of the shockwave it will send thru DC when that happens. Alot of things could and probably will change. It won't be considered wasted then. But you go ahead and vote for your lesser of two evil candidates. As for myself, I'll vote for the right person.



posted on Oct, 18 2004 @ 07:01 PM
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True Lies:

I don't think you have any business telling anyone who to vote
for. That will be up to each individual voter to decide, and not
someone on a forum who thinks they have the answers for the
country or the world. Is anyone telling you who to vote for?
I didn't think so. Talk about espousing your views on other people.

ZOOMER



posted on Oct, 18 2004 @ 07:41 PM
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Originally posted by ZOOMER
True Lies:

I don't think you have any business telling anyone who to vote
for. That will be up to each individual voter to decide, and not
someone on a forum who thinks they have the answers for the
country or the world. Is anyone telling you who to vote for?
I didn't think so. Talk about espousing your views on other people.

ZOOMER


Riiiight.........Did you see my name on that article? Did I write it???
Noooooo...



posted on Oct, 18 2004 @ 07:43 PM
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Originally posted by mpeake
WRONG! Why is it wasted? if the Libertarian party gets at least 5% of the presidential vote, they get the desperately needed federal funding it needs to get their name out. Think of the shockwave it will send thru DC when that happens. Alot of things could and probably will change. It won't be considered wasted then. But you go ahead and vote for your lesser of two evil candidates. As for myself, I'll vote for the right person.



If only more people could see it this way.....

ps: Have you seen lady liberties flame on badnarik's site???

they've tripled their quota!!

www.badnarik.org...

go to blognarik

This means more exposure which means more votes... Which means a freer America....

I'll drink to that... wait... I alread am!!



posted on Oct, 18 2004 @ 07:45 PM
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badnarik.org...


ps: I'm not asking for people to donate... I'm just asking them to look because I am AMAZED!! wooohoo!

[edit on 18-10-2004 by TrueLies]



posted on Oct, 18 2004 @ 07:49 PM
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Originally posted by TrueLies

Originally posted by mpeake
WRONG! Why is it wasted? if the Libertarian party gets at least 5% of the presidential vote, they get the desperately needed federal funding it needs to get their name out. Think of the shockwave it will send thru DC when that happens. Alot of things could and probably will change. It won't be considered wasted then. But you go ahead and vote for your lesser of two evil candidates. As for myself, I'll vote for the right person.



If only more people could see it this way.....

ps: Have you seen lady liberties flame on badnarik's site???

they've tripled their quota!!

www.badnarik.org...

go to blognarik

This means more exposure which means more votes... Which means a freer America....

I'll drink to that... wait... I alread am!!


That is very encouraging! Drink up...you know I am!



posted on Oct, 18 2004 @ 07:51 PM
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If you had titled Open letter to Democrats and Republicans then I might take this more seriously.

I to believe that libertarians need to build more of a local and state organization before going for the presidency.

Yes I hear your point about 5%, but that 5% right now ensures that a traitor to this country may get elected to the office of the presidency - this I cannot stand for.

My local votes go libertarian, national = republican

Amuk get the congress and senate to 1/10 of the dem/repub numbers and you guys will hold the swing votes on legislation - that is real power that any president has to consider.



posted on Oct, 18 2004 @ 07:55 PM
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Originally posted by Phoenix
If you had titled Open letter to Democrats and Republicans then I might take this more seriously.


I can't do that thought beacuse I was taking the title of the article and leaving it as is.... Have you read the whole article??

As it stands now there are over 600 local and state libertarian's in office...
How much more do we need???



posted on Oct, 18 2004 @ 07:56 PM
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Originally posted by Phoenix
Amuk get the congress and senate to 1/10 of the dem/repub numbers and you guys will hold the swing votes on legislation - that is real power that any president has to consider.


I agree with this part of your post. Congress and the Senate is a must even 5-6% would make a change and give us MUCH needed expoisure



posted on Oct, 18 2004 @ 07:59 PM
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Originally posted by mpeake
That is very encouraging! Drink up...you know I am!



Exactly...

And this is the key on what will make this country more free and proserpous...

Encouragement... I think many people have become apathetic, are kept in the dark, voting lesser of two evil's because they know the other guy will # things up worse then the other guy.. though he too will # things up but on a lesesr level...

Growing the government 20% in 4 years is pretty scary to me...

I'm assuming George W hasn't upheld the consitution and cares more about empowering and caretaking the government then the people ....

This is one reason on why we need CHANGE!



posted on Oct, 18 2004 @ 08:01 PM
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Originally posted by Amuk
I agree with this part of your post. Congress and the Senate is a must even 5-6% would make a change and give us MUCH needed expoisure


Can someone address the already 600+ state and local libertarian's in office?

How come this isn't enough, and how come not many people know about this??

I think we have enough people in local and state offices I think Badnarik being on 48 ballots is awesome, I think he could poll 5% or more if more people grew some balls... I think...



posted on Oct, 18 2004 @ 08:07 PM
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Originally posted by TrueLies

Can someone address the already 600+ state and local libertarian's in office?

How come this isn't enough, and how come not many people know about this??

I think we have enough people in local and state offices I think Badnarik being on 48 ballots is awesome, I think he could poll 5% or more if more people grew some balls... I think...


Yeah I can - get these state and local guys/gals to run for congress or senate from the grass-roots level and you will achieve the influence you so desire.

From there its an easy leap to the whitehouse.

Ya can't skip the congress no matter how much of a hurry you're in.

People need to see you in action with a legislative voting history.



posted on Oct, 18 2004 @ 08:10 PM
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Originally posted by mpeake

Originally posted by spacedoubt
Libertarian locally. Gotta get some faces to the party.

Nationally? Republican or Democrat, otherwise your vote is WASTED.
Sad but true..Liberatarians don't stand a chance

Libertarians have a couple of problems..In my area they are associated with "super right wing gun nuts", and tokers.

Libertarians have to get into get into office, on local levels, so people can see what they are about. Plus your vote is counted DIRECTLY, not through an electoral college, so the posibility is greater, of getting one in office.

I'm voting republican in the Presidential race..


WRONG! Why is it wasted? Look, if the Libertarian party gets at least 5% of the presidential vote, they get the desperately needed federal funding it needs to get their name out. Think of the shockwave it will send thru DC when that happens. Alot of things could and probably will change. It won't be considered wasted then. But you go ahead and vote for your lesser of two evil candidates. As for myself, I'll vote for the right person.


Not WRONG, I'm right...legitimacy will come when the Libertarian party sheds it's negative image, until that happens, and the party has proven itself in counties, cities and states. Then, they can't be ignored, they become more than a caricature of themselves. Their accomplishments can be cited. Otherwise you are wasting what little of a presidential vote you have..Gotta work from the bottom up..



posted on Oct, 18 2004 @ 08:14 PM
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Originally posted by TrueLies

As it stands now there are over 600 local and state libertarian's in office...
How much more do we need???


600 is a small number. More would help.
I'll have to plead ignorance, on whether any of them are governors..Are there any?



posted on Oct, 18 2004 @ 08:15 PM
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Originally posted by spacedoubt
Nationally? Republican or Democrat, otherwise your vote is WASTED.
.


Will some one PLEASE explain how your vote is wasted by NOT voting for two people that you can not STAND and would not want to see EITHER ion office?

Are you saying even though I dont want EITHER person in office I must, none the less, vote for one of them?



posted on Oct, 18 2004 @ 08:15 PM
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What negative image? What image at all? They have no image because of the media blackout. The major networks won't even utter thw word "Libertarian" or "Badnarik". And like the Libertarian party has worse image than the already tainted Democrat or Republican party. Your idea of negative is seriously skewed if you think those to parties are not negative!



posted on Oct, 18 2004 @ 08:21 PM
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Originally posted by Amuk

Originally posted by spacedoubt
Nationally? Republican or Democrat, otherwise your vote is WASTED.
.


Will some one PLEASE explain how your vote is wasted by NOT voting for two people that you can not STAND and would not want to see EITHER ion office?

Are you saying even though I dont want EITHER person in office I must, none the less, vote for one of them?


IMO, people that think like that think that if you vote for someone who isn't going to win, you are a loser yourself. It's like the guy who only roots for the footbal teams who have a winning record. Ya know, that's how dictators stay in power. Because people aren't brave enough to vote for the unlikely person, even though they know the unlikely person is the right person.

[edit on 18-10-2004 by mpeake]



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