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Perpetual Motion Machine

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posted on Oct, 18 2004 @ 03:21 PM
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I was watching a show on Discovery or TLC or one of those channels about a guy who supposedly created an actual perpetual motion machine that produced more energy than it took to run it. I think it had something to do with using the earth's gravity to make it work.

He applied to the US Patent Office for a patent but they've refused him saying that it is "impossible" even though he has proven it to them again and again right while they are standing there. They keep saying that the data is wrong or the machines testing it aren't calibrated correctly every time they test the machine. Does anyone know what this machine is or any info on who the guy is who invented it?



posted on Oct, 18 2004 @ 03:38 PM
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Yes, I saw a program 20 years ago on the Johnny Carson show, this inventor used +magnets connected to a wheel and -magnets connected to a stationary wheelwell, which the wheel was connected to a generator via chain.

The inventor spun the wheel, the +/- actions of the magnets repelled each other and the wheel spun faster and faster and produced more and more power.

He (the inventor) had the same problem as your question states, the working machine does not comply with the laws of physics, so it did not get a patten.

The machine worked, it produced more power than it used to run, and that was the last I heard of it.



posted on Oct, 18 2004 @ 03:50 PM
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You can do a google search for suppressed free energy patents.

Of cause everyone will claim that it violates the laws so there is no such thing but it goes way back to Johann Bessler so google either.

Big oil won't ever let you see free energy in your lifetime.


Here is the one that was on the Carson show.

home.earthlink.net...

[edit on 18-10-2004 by evecasino]



posted on Oct, 18 2004 @ 05:06 PM
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I wouldn't be such a nay-sayer if there were any adequate details on how it worked.. he's a con-man. He has loads of confidence but no facts. Not a single description of what's going on is in that site.



posted on Oct, 18 2004 @ 05:18 PM
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Throughout the years the patent office has patented many inventions of dubious scientific merit or limited ingenuity (combover) I doubt a patent can be denied so easily. Plus it sounds too good, custom made for conspiracy theorists: Government agency supresses energy technology"



posted on Oct, 18 2004 @ 05:26 PM
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Originally posted by deevee
Throughout the years the patent office has patented many inventions of dubious scientific merit or limited ingenuity (combover) I doubt a patent can be denied so easily. Plus it sounds too good, custom made for conspiracy theorists: Government agency supresses energy technology"


No but if you claim to have a free energy device or perpetual device then you must demonstrate it to the USPTO I believe it is for a term of 5 years under their conditions.
I could be wrong and it may be a year but in any event they put you off and in the mean time they could be selling your tech to another country since most cannot afford to patent worldwide.

I have witnessed a device that is simply a heavy flywheel and a few crude beams and weights that once set in motion will run for quite sometime and power a bicycle generator while running. When I arrived to this inventors event it was placed in motion by hand and we stayed for at least one and a half hours and the bulb that the wheel was lighting stayed lit all the while we remained.


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posted on Oct, 18 2004 @ 07:00 PM
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It is incredible to me with the proof being right there and not being able to utilize it. The way big oil and our government are in bed with eachother is digusting, really makes you feel helpless. Knowing we could have been jumping forward as a civilization in leaps and bounds we could only dream of all this time. Hard to imagine how different everything we know would be.



posted on Oct, 18 2004 @ 07:39 PM
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maybe you should just try it....if you spin a wheel full of magnets and then have a ring outside of it and repel the other wheel....just like the maglev train...how could they patent a damn train but not a machine that creates more energy than it takes in.....maybe he should try patenting it at another country



posted on Oct, 18 2004 @ 08:10 PM
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Anyone else want to jump on the bandwagon of denying ignorance by assuming things without any evidence?



posted on Oct, 18 2004 @ 08:42 PM
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There is another guy, hes from japan. Configured permanent magnets in such a way that it prevents magnetic lockup (the tendancy of magnets to find an equilibrium between attraction and repell). Produces more power than it requires to move.

japan.com...



posted on Oct, 18 2004 @ 08:52 PM
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I dont buy it for the simple reason that you can sell the product WITHOUT a patent and get rich as hell anyway.

Do you honestly think someone sitting on that goldmine would NOT be rich?

And you cant have the Oil companies buying the patent to keep anyone from using it and the patent company not issuing a patent at the same time.

And even if I OWNED an oil company I would put this one the Market. The money I would make from it would be a thousand times my profits from oil



posted on Oct, 18 2004 @ 09:12 PM
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I have seen this with my own two eyes. I have witnessed its workings. I can tell you for a fact that it works.

Why?

I helped build the thing.

Take a small motor. I used a motor from a table saw. Using a special welded rod (be careful, so as not to fry the motor), attach an alternator; any car type will do. Connect the alternator to a marine battery... this is important! A car battery will not work, it doesn't recharge the same way. Now, convert the motor wire plug to allow for battery hook-up.

Wah-lah, perpetual motion. My motor has run for a year and a half now with no measurable energy loss (verified with an electrician who works at a Naval yard).

With enough patience and time, you can easily hook up another two or three alternators to generate more power then used... ut who would want to do that?

Patent the thing? Like it hasn't already been done. Sell the idea? To who? It's an easy device to make, and with a little time, anyone could have thought of the same thing...

Now, give me a few old-time transformers, a capacitor or two, and the same general motor design, and imagine the possibilities!



posted on Oct, 18 2004 @ 10:07 PM
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Here's some links about Joe Newman who was probably the man who was on Johnny Carson about twenty years ago. Along about that time Newman rented the Super Dome in New Orleans to show off his machine which did nothing at that demonstration. I have never been so underwhelmed by any demonstration in my life.

www.josephnewman.com...

www.josephnewman.com...

www.phact.org...

www.google.com...



posted on Oct, 18 2004 @ 10:32 PM
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[i, convert the motor wire plug to allow for battery hook-up.

Wah-lah, perpetual motion. My motor has run for a year and a half now with no measurable energy loss (verified with an electrician who works at a Naval yard).


I am sorry. This is simply not true as it violates the second law of thermodynamics. Something is amiss as the law is NEVER broken.



posted on Oct, 18 2004 @ 10:42 PM
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Ok, so anyone want to tell me what happens to the spinning wheel when the magnets demagnatize? Oh wait, I KNOW.. it stops
A magnet will not retain its magnetism forever, and when you use a magnet in that way, they tend to loose there magnetism. This device could be use as a souce of electricity, but you woul have to buy new magnets everytime they run out. Think of them like a battery.



posted on Oct, 18 2004 @ 10:43 PM
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Originally posted by Amuk

And even if I OWNED an oil company I would put this one the Market. The money I would make from it would be a thousand times my profits from oil


Im sure if you sold something like that at first you would make large amounts of money. But in the long run you wouldnt make that much. Its like making a cure for a disease compared to just a treatment for the same disease. The money is in the repeat Business.

GoodYear could make a tire that would last as long as your car but they wouldnt sell many tires if they did. They instead make tires that wear out after said number of miles and then you have to go buy a new set.



posted on Oct, 18 2004 @ 10:46 PM
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You sound as convincing as those people who KNEW the world was flat.



posted on Oct, 18 2004 @ 10:48 PM
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Originally posted by ShadowXIX


Im sure if you sold something like that at first you would make large amounts of money. But in the long run you wouldnt make that much. Its like making a cure for a disease compared to just a treatment for the same disease. The money is in the repeat Business.

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This is absolutely true. The laws of science still trump the laws of the marketplace however.



posted on Oct, 18 2004 @ 10:49 PM
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Sheesh, conspiracy theories are lots of fun and all, but really now. "Big oil" is somehow blocking this? Yeah right. How many people here remember the same story from 25 years ago, and how someone had invented cars that ran on water or got 100mpg on gasoline, but "big oil" bought the patents and sat on them? (Note: patents are made public when granted, and lasted only 17 years in those days, then they were free for everyone to use.) Never happened.

Amuk is right on target - and I'd vote him a Way Above but that doesn't work for moderators. If you can make such a thing, I'll go into business with you and we'll get rich selling electricity! Forget the patent nonsense.

Funny . . . nobody has done that yet. I wonder why?



posted on Oct, 18 2004 @ 11:01 PM
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In this article Roger Hastings, Principal Physicist, Unisys Corp., describes Newman's motor and compares his theory of magnetism to other theories and provides measurements of the motor.



JOSEPH NEWMAN'S THEORY
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Dr. Roger Hastings, PhD

Transcribed By George W. Dahlberg, P.E.

I do not intend to recapitulate the theory presented in Newman's book, but rather to briefly provide my interpretation of his ideas. Newman began studying electricity and magnetism in the mid-1960s. He has a mechanical background, and was looking for a mechanical description of electromagnetic fields. That is, he assumed that there must be a mechanical interaction between, for example, two magnets. He could not find such a description in any book, and decided that he would have to provide his own explanation. He came to the conclusion that if electromagnetic fields consisted of tiny spinning (gyroscopic) massergies moving at the speed of light along the field lines, then he could explain all standard electromagnetic phenomena through the interaction of spinning (gyroscopic) massergies. Since the spinning massergies interact in the same way as gyroscopes, he called the massergies gyroscopic particles or gyroscopic massergies (a later nomenclature).

In my opinion, such spinning gyroscopic massergies do provide a qualitative description of electromagnetic phenomena, and his model is useful in understanding complex electrical situations (note that without a pictorial model one must rely solely upon mathematical equations which can become extremely complex).

Given that electromagnetic fields consist of matter in motion, or kinetic energy, Joe decided that it should be possible to tap this kinetic energy. He likes to say: "How long did man sit next to a stream before he invented the paddle wheel?"

Joe built a variety of unusual devices to tap the kinetic energy in electromagnetic fields before he arrived at his present motor design. He likes to point out that both Maxwell and Faraday, the pioneers of electromagnetism, believed that the fields consisted of matter in motion. That is stated in no uncertain terms in Maxwell's book "A Dynamical Theory of the Electromagnetic Field". In fact, Maxwell used a dynamical model to derive his famous equations. That fact has all but been lost in current books on electromagnetic theory. The quantity which Maxwell called "electromagnetic momentum" is now referred to as the "vector potential".


www.josephnewman.com...

[edit on 04/10/18 by GradyPhilpott]



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