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Originally posted by jiggerj
And, slavery would still be with us today.
Originally posted by METACOMET
Originally posted by jiggerj
And, slavery would still be with us today.
Slavery in America is alive and well.
Medieval serfs had to give the lord of the manor one-third of their output and they were considered slaves. Most working class Americans pay at least 35% of their income in taxes. Property tax, state taxes, federal taxes, income taxes, sales taxes, excise taxes, occupational taxes, corporate taxes, estate taxes, capital gains taxes, payroll taxes and on and on...
Originally posted by jiggerj
Plus, the day the U.S. stops interfering over there is the day we stop fearing terrorism over here.
Tedit on 10/13/2012 by jiggerj because: (no reason given)
We're trying to force our morals on them, and it's just not working.
Originally posted by jiggerj
I propose that U.S. citizens at that time would not have taken kindly to another country telling them what to do. They would have claimed their god-given right to own slaves and would have fought with everything they had to kick the invading force out. They would have called it a great victory.
And, slavery would still be with us today.
Originally posted by SLAYER69
Even way back in 1840 before Lincoln the States at the time were already divided between free and slave States. Your analogy fails on this point alone. Some States would have theoretically joined forces with those who were against slavery. Southern slave States would have fought for their rights as sovereign territory whether against the US Federal Government [Which they considered as a foreign entity forcing them to end their way of life anyway] or any other outside Country just the same.
Originally posted by scorpiosin
We should tell some of these countries that they MUST build nuclear weapons then
I dunno if slavery would still be around. I'd like to hope that the people that were like 'hey this isn't cool' would eventually still say 'hey this isn't cool.' But there are still a lot of places lacking in human rights...
I do agree we should stop forcing ourselves on people. I watched this movie the other night that made it seem like if the US started withdrawing that the countries would instantly go crazy and start killing and raping and torturing everyone. While I guess that could happen, it's not like we couldn't be anywhere in the world we needed to be relatively quickly if we were needed.
Originally posted by jiggerj
I believe that without outside interference, we would've come to the conclusion that slavery isn't cool (as we did). But, if another country tried to enforce it, we would be reacting to the intruders and not thinking about if slavery is right or wrong.
The countries you speak of already ARE going crazy and killing and raping and torturing. We didn't change that.
We may have slowed it down a bit, but instead of allowing them to come to the conclusion that this brutality is wrong, we have made these actions defensible because the nature of humans within a society is to say, "Hey, you can't come into our country and tell us what we can or can't do!"
Originally posted by SLAYER69
reply to post by jiggerj
It's all speculation.
That's the Real world not a hypothetical scenario.
Originally posted by SLAYER69
Originally posted by jiggerj
I believe that without outside interference, we would've come to the conclusion that slavery isn't cool (as we did). But, if another country tried to enforce it, we would be reacting to the intruders and not thinking about if slavery is right or wrong.
You believe?
That's opinion, not a fact.
Originally posted by jiggerj
Who freed the American slaves?
Originally posted by jiggerj
LOL No, that is a fact. We did free the slaves because we came to the conclusion that slavery was wrong.
" But, if another country tried to enforce it, we would be reacting to the intruders and not thinking about if slavery is right or wrong "