Joe Biden: Paul Ryan Asked Me For Stimulus Funds

I think this was one of the most important parts of the debate last night. Joe Biden exposing Paul Ryan for the hypocrite that he is.

How many times have you heard Ryan complain about the Stimulus? Complain that it was wasteful spending? Complain that it would create no jobs?

Well, it seems that he only says that in public, but in private he asked for Stimulus money from the Government for his district.

www.huffingtonpost.com...

"I love my friend here," Biden said during the debate in Danville, Ky. "I'm not allowed to show letters here, but go on our website. He sent me two letters saying, by the way, can you send me some stimulus money for companies here in the state of Wisconsin?"
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"I love that, I love that," Biden said, laughing. "This is such a bad program and he writes me a letter saying -- writes the Department of Energy a letter saying -- the reason we need this stimulus, it will create growth and jobs. His words. And now he's sitting here looking at me."

Biden added: "I wish he would just tell the -- be a little more candid," stopping himself from calling Ryan a liar.

Ryan got busted last night, how can he with a straight face ever criticize the Stimulus again after there are two documented letters straight from him praising it?


I wonder how Romney/Ryan supporters that are against the Stimulus justify this?

I think the common sense response is that if you are going to pass a bill robbing us of 800 billion to give to states then we'd like some of that back.

I don't think any of them are against the banks though and that is where all of the money ended up going and why they are not against the stimulus and why they will all support renewing the Federal Reserve. Too much money up for grabs.

Ryan so got burned on that one. And the moderator even asked Ryan directly if he did request and receive stimulus money and he admitted it. Such lying hypocrites Ryan/Romney are.

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So much for principles huh?

I love how they can be so hell bent against something, and then actively participate in it. And then, their supporters defend them.

I think if I ever change careers, I'm going to become a GOP politician, they seriously have the easiest job in the world.

Biden definitely got Ryan on that one. I only wish that Biden had pressed the issue further and pointed out that Ryan voted for a similarly sized stimulus package while Bush was in office and also voted for Bush's similarly sized Wall Street bailout.

ETA: I'm seeing a pattern here....Reagan bailed out the savings and loan banks in the 80's and Bush bailed out Wall Street in 2008 and both made a habit out of deficit spending. And those were good things in the eyes of a Republican Congress, yet when a Democrat tries to prevent an almost certain depression by using the same methodology, they are lambasted and labeled as socialists. Hypocrisy much?

Originally posted by HostileApostle
I love how they can be so hell bent against something, and then actively participate in it.

You mean like how Obama promised 'no lobbiests will work in my White House' and then went on to bring 'em all in?? Judicial Watch Obama Administration Lobbiest Haven . Yep .. kind of a bummer when politicians do that, eh?

And then, their supporters defend them..

Kinda like what the O-bots do with Obama and his lies.
Same/same

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It's all laughable...if you recall when Obama said he would do away with lobbyist when he started and fast forward today and there are more....Republicans and democrats acknowledged that "Pork Barrel Spending" was a big issue and they continue to use this tactic to get money for there constituents...they are all hypocrites and we are foolish to submit to the idea that we have to pick one them...Remember closing down Gitmo? Remember transparency? Remember cutting the budget in half? Remember the famous phrase "Read my lips, no new taxes"? It's all a big joke and we are the punch line....we are not people to them we are a tool to get the machine running efficiently...

Originally posted by FlyersFan

Originally posted by HostileApostle
I love how they can be so hell bent against something, and then actively participate in it.

You mean like how Obama promised 'no lobbiests will work in my White House' and then went on to bring 'em all in?? Judicial Watch Obama Administration Lobbiest Haven . Yep .. kind of a bummer when politicians do that, eh?

And then, their supporters defend them..

Kinda like what the O-bots do with Obama and his lies.
Same/same

Look at you going off topic to try to defend your candidate.

I don't think Obama is in the title or the OP of this thread, maybe try re-reading it and trying to stay on topic instead of a sad attempt at de-railing the thread.

Thanks.

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It's all laughable...if you recall when Obama said he would do away with lobbyist when he started and fast forward today and there are more

Oh, two answers in a row of the exact same thing.

So what right wing show are you watching/listening to that is giving out this talking point? Is this the Fox News defense of Ryan's hypocrisy?

Are you guys able to admit when the guy you support does something wrong? Or are you just that trained to automatically ignore it and attack the other side?

Do you guys realize how childish it sounds, "Well he did it too mommy"??

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Yeah Flyersfan! Who in the hell do you think you are injecting logic and reason into the debate!? Can't you see this is a straight up bash Romney/Ryan thread!? Forget the fact that they're all lying hyporcites - with Obama being the most hypocritical of them all!

Your supposed to to simply slam the Kool Aid that Obama is the new messiah and he is going to save us all. JEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEZ man...

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Sometimes I think Obama supporters are more shallow than a teaspoon of water!

Aside from the lying liberal hypocrites and the confiscatory practices employed by the Democrats, you DO understand WHAT politicians are elected to do, right??? Represent their consituents!

If the federal government is having a blow-out bonanza cash give-away, Ryan would have been irresponsible and shirking his duties to his constituents to NOT request some of those funds for the district he represents. But alas, that is simply too logical for most libs to grasp. So, instead, let's just get all emotional, right???

And I guess, pointing out that hypocrisy exists on both sides of the aisle is simply too difficult to accept as well.

This certainly is a turning point in American history and will be remembered as the time when America fell. Historians will reflect upon the suckers and the mouth-breathers who guzzled Kool Aid at alarming rates while ignoring the FACTS sitting right in front of them. So sad...

Originally posted by HostileApostle
Look at you going off topic to try to defend your candidate.

Two lies. You shouldn't do that.
1 - I have already voted absentee and I voted for Gary Johnson. You've been told that already.
2 - I gave an example of what you were talking about .. when a politician says he is against something but then engages in using that thing that he supposedly is against. It's hypocrisy. So why don't you like that I backed up your statement? Oh that's right ... because it shows that what you are complaining about with Ryan is the same kind of thing that Obama does.

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If the federal government is having a blow-out bonanza cash give-away, Ryan would have been irresponsible and shirking his duties to his constituents to NOT request some of those funds for the district he represents. But alas, that is simply too logical for most libs to grasp. So, instead, let's just get all emotional, right???

There is a thing called principles, something Romney and Ryan both lack.

It's not just about him taking the money, it's him praising the Stimulus and praising how it is helping to create jobs and economic growth. And then saying to the public that it is a failure when he knows his district has directly benefited from it and helped create jobs in his own district.

I don't really expect any of the right wingers here to admit that it is hypocritical, their politicians can do no wrong, they seriously have the easiest job in the world.

They could advocate that you guys take a tax hike so the rich can get a tax break and you would support them. OH WAIT, that is EXACTLY what they are doing.

Originally posted by FlyersFan

Originally posted by HostileApostle
Look at you going off topic to try to defend your candidate.

Two lies. You shouldn't do that.
1 - I have already voted absentee and I voted for Gary Johnson. You've been told that already.
2 - I gave an example of what you were talking about .. when a politician says he is against something but then engages in using that thing that he supposedly is against. It's hypocrisy. So why don't you like that I backed up your statement? Oh that's right ... because it shows that what you are complaining about with Ryan is the same kind of thing that Obama does.

Obama has gone back on his word on many things, I will never deny that.

But you STILL can't admit that Ryan is a huge hypocrite on the Stimulus.

Here's the thing, people on the left are willing to criticize their polititians, it seems those on the right are not. They can't admit Ryan is a hypocrite for this, they can't admit Ryan lost the debate, they can't admit that the economy is recovering.

So, do you have anything to add to the actual topic instead of your desperate attempt at de-railing to Obama?

And I'm sure Romney thanks you for his vote, your game is very transparent.

Ryan said that he had forgotten that his office had sent letters, which were signed by him, to the US Energy and Labour departments asking for money from the stimulus programme on behalf of two Wisconsin companies.

'They should have been handled differently, and I take responsibility for that,' Ryan said in a written statement released after an Ohio TV interview on Thursday in which he had once again denied requesting stimulus funds.

www.dailymail.co.uk...

I thought this was settled. He did it, he admited it, he owned it, he manned up. He took responsibility for it.

Pity the current White House weasels can't do the same.

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So Ryan mis-signed the letters, two of them, huh?

Just like Romney mis-spoke about the lazy 47% for 10 minutes, right?


Do you actually buy the crap they/re selling you?

Originally posted by HostileApostle
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So Ryan mis-signed the letters, two of them, huh?

Just like Romney mis-spoke about the lazy 47% for 10 minutes, right?


Do you actually buy the crap they/re selling you?

edit on 12-10-2012 by HostileApostle because: (no reason given)

He admitted to it.
He owned up to it.

You're beating a dead horse!

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He didn't own up to it, he is trying to claim that it was a mistake.

Everything is a mistake with Romney/Ryan, they don't own up to anything.

The more I hear politicians speak, especially during an election campaign, the more it reminds me of these guys . . .

'nuff said.

reply to post by HostileApostle

'They should have been handled differently, and I take responsibility for that,

From my source.

I take responsibility for that.

Wonder how many times Obama has said that.